1,976

(19 replies, posted in Politics)

"it is hard to argue that resources are not finite"

I could buy you a science textbook and read it to you?

1,977

(19 replies, posted in Politics)

It's only logical.

1,978

(19 replies, posted in Politics)

I don't think the troll will understand your point that taxing the rich still hurts us all. He wants hope and change he can believe in. Keep it simple.

1,979

(53 replies, posted in Politics)

You said you were "sitting this one out," but I'm accusing you of moral culpability for feeding a troll. tongue

1,980

(19 replies, posted in Politics)

To accomplish what? How is it a viable alternative, considering that no tax rate on the rich could sustain current spending levels?

1,981

(53 replies, posted in Politics)

Sitting what out? You fed the troll. You're morally responsible!

1,982

(53 replies, posted in Politics)

"Okay.  No argument there."

You don't realize that what he posted does not answer your question at all?

He made a claim about relative costs of one syringe vs another. That he thinks one "would" be cheaper produced en masse says nothing of its cost relative to the other type of syringe, which was his claim and what you asked about. Furthermore, glass syringes are already produced in large numbers, so presumably larger-scale production would produce little or no savings, seeing as most savings of mass production have already been achieved.

Wishing does not make things so.

1,983

(27 replies, posted in Politics)

He votes against all those bills, The Yell. They vote for them. Slight distinction. If everyone did what he did, the feeding would stop. That you continually ignore and do not respond to this point is presumably a concession of the point.

He's more fiscally conservative than most conservatives. umad?

1,984

(18 replies, posted in Politics)

I store alien technology in my butt. It's used to produce Cheetos. And plastic syringes. And damn does it produce a lot of energy. Do you like broccoli? I like broccoli. brb my farm is burning. I'll continue this later.

1,985

(26 replies, posted in Politics)

"The financial crisis in the last years showed that too few people have the power to spend the money of our grandchildren."

Or maybe it showed that nobody should be spending our grandchildren's money? Yet your Pirates party doesn't take a stand against irresponsible spending. They're not necessarily against this. So long as the people pushing their views are idiots, we won't cut our spending or stop printing money. This party doesn't take a stand against bombing our currency's value and dicking over future generations. I oppose this party.

1,986

(27 replies, posted in Politics)

"How many districts do you think each Rep. represents?"

One.

"If each of them said "well shit but MY people don't deserve to suffer"  All any of them do is waste money for their district.  I don't see any damn fool saying "I want to build the worlds biggest museum of buttcrack odors and I want it 1000 miles from my hometown""

But if they all voted against such bills, we'd have progress. He's still better than the rest, any which way you choose to slice it (aka look at it).

"Personally i think they do deserve to suffer"

My point is that the people who elected him, who votes against ALL such bills, do not deserve to suffer MORE than the rest of our society.

"The immediate point was whether RON PAUL should STFU about being righteous about money or stop wasting money.  He's decided to do all the above."

He votes against those bills, even when he includes some money for his district. It's a testament to congress's stupidity that they include such money even when they know he'll vote against it.

My point is that if all of congress did as he did in this matter, we'd all be better off and less in debt. I don't make any argument he's perfect and I love him to death, but the fact that you Mr.s Yell and Einstein pretend he's as bad/worse than the rest of Republicans when he's distinctly different just drive my point home.

I'm not an avid supporter of his. I do not agree with all of his policies. I think he's [truckin] nuts. But he's a hell of a lot better than 99% of RepubliDemoSocialists out there.

1,987

(65 replies, posted in Politics)

Justinian I's just mad he can't get some!

More criticism of Einstein's religious-based objections when I'm not drunk!

1,988

(27 replies, posted in Politics)

"He says he is against Pork Barrel crap, yet he inserts a LOT for his district in bills he knows will pass then votes no to make it look like he is all fine and dandy."

He still votes against them. He chooses not to hurt his own constituency while fighting against the status quo. If the status quo is going to ruin us all, there's no reason he should penalize his constituency while he fights the status quo. They don't deserve the harm when they're being more responsible than [the _vast_ majority of] most other districts. I would have hoped you would appreciate this, but it appears you think Republicans are innocent in the war they and Democrats wage against our own offspring and future generations.

"Ron Paul denies he reads his racist, xenophobic, misbegotten whore of a newprint."

I don't agree with him on everything, but I think he's better than all of the regular rubbish. I'm sure he's full of shit, talking about not knowing what was in his newsletters. Though what he said about the LA riots ending when they all went home to collect their welfare checks... Well, that was largely true.

"You are a deluded fool WORSE than a Liberal if you say vote Ron Paul."

Now you've gone on record saying Republican party-line bullshit.

Worse than a liberal? Spare me. That's rhetorical garbage from Republicans who aren't much better than Liberals. Both skyrocket the nation debt, if at _slightly_ different speeds. Both fight personal freedoms, if in different areas--They work together to erode personal freedoms. When one side's in power, it's on one front. When the other's in power, it's on the other front. Both want a huge corporate-government power structure. Both wage wars for their corporate sponsors. Both support global governance.

1,989

(27 replies, posted in Politics)

Einstein,

I'd prefer they be left to their own fates vs what we're doing now. You do realize that Republicans are nearly as guilty as democrats of corruption and bankrupting our nation?

The coming inflation is very real. Collapsing entitlements, our monumental debt, and inflation are going to do very real harm to our nation. People keep voting to kick the can down the road, but no amount of ignoring our massive problems will avoid the implosion that's coming.

While I have some disagreements with Mr. Paul on foreign affairs, the simple fact is he's less insane regarding domestic affairs. If we keep electing shitheads like we have been, we won't have the money, power, or influence to say jack shit about foreign affairs in a decade or two.

If we keep voting for idiots like Obama and Romney, we won't have the ability to help Taiwan or Georgia. I don't agree with Paul entirely on foreign affairs, but at least his domestic policy would maintain our ability to make those choices. Republicans and Democrats for decades have strived to put us in a position where we don't even have the option of helping allies across the globe.

As for Syria, that's another issue. The current regime is garbage. It's under attack by terrorists. You want to... support the terrorists? The enemy of your enemy is not your friend, especially not in the case of Islamic fascists seeking to take control of a nation.

1,990

(27 replies, posted in Politics)

That depends on if the voters who elect them are trashy individuals who vote for buttholes.

Ron Paul 2012!

1,991

(18 replies, posted in Politics)

"They say all of their source material is independently verified and they do provide sources on their website."

They also say that it's literally true that aliens have given us the knowledge for infinite energy. Seeing as this claim is absolutely bullshit and the authors insult us all, they're liars and their word has no value.

"That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if governments and corporations kept both the evidence of contact and the free energy technology under wraps.  I think this premise is sound."

Except that you have absolutely 0 evidence that "free energy technology" exists. So you're working with absolutely nothing. Your opinion on what moral values aliens would/should have is consequently just pointless conjecture.

1,992

(33 replies, posted in Politics)

I formally ask that you seek to understand points made in other threads and respond to them before spamming other threads with references to them.

I referenced "greed" and "jealousy" in making a point about the content of your posts. If you're automatically offended at the use of these words, perhaps you're the one making personal attacks.

1,993

(125 replies, posted in Politics)

"You forget that most of a populace's political influence is dealt at the checkout stand rather than any polling station."

People without support don't get money. Even rich donors aren't giving billions to PACs. On top of this is the fact that money alone only influences the minds of the stupid and apathetic. If you want to argue that the majority of voters are stupid and/or apathetic, I might agree with you; but you claim not to be making that argument.

"You are beginning to slander insult me, and attack my character. "

I merely pointed out that wealth "relative" to "rich" people speaks absolutely nothing of standard of living. Standard of living of the poor and middle class matters. Standard of living "relative" to "rich" people speaks absolutely nothing of that standard of living.

Your references to "relative" wealth are attacks on successful people who've become wealthy. You're speaking as if their relative wealth somehow hurts the standard of living of the middle class and poor, which it clearly does not. Repeatedly referring to irrelevant facts is insulting to anyone reading your posts. I formally ask that you stop insulting readers of this forum and delete such insults before continuing this dialogue.

I didn't attack your character, but the relevance of the "relative" wealth measure you keep citing. I'm concerned with standard of living of the poor and middle class. You're concerned with how successful people are in free markets, regardless if this benefits the poor/middle class or not.

This thread started about egalitarianism in ancient Greece. It has been easily shown that Greece today is far more egalitarian than any part of it was in ancient times.

Now we're talking about egalitarianism in broader terms. I've pointed out that poor/middle class "relative" wealth says absolutely nothing of their standard of living. North Korea and Cuba's people presumably have more wealth "relative" to their rich, yet those countries are shit-holes and their poor/middle class are tragically impoverished.

I am effectively questioning your use of "relative" wealth measures. I'm concerned with the wealth of the poor and middle class; you're concerned with the "relative" wealth of the middle class. You would seem to take issue more with America than Cuba or N. Korea. I find this bizarre because the poor in America are incalculably richer than the poor in Cuba or N. Korea. I'm asking for a defense of your focus on "relative" wealth.

1,994

(4 replies, posted in Politics)

Al Gore's propaganda piece was ripped apart years ago.

Nobody is going to be prosecuted. For what? Obama pretends 60% of 2% is 60% of the whole. Liars incorrectly site facts all the time. Presumably, if they were ever questioned (which they're not) they'd pretend not to have understood what they were siting. And who would prosecute them? Holder won't prosecute people for publicly offering money for kidnapping. He's hardly going to become the science police.

1,995

(27 replies, posted in Politics)

Some are worse than others. I would like to string the worst offenders up as an example to the rest of them! Hang 'em high!

1,996

(53 replies, posted in Politics)

>>Your objection that glass syringes would be more expensive, for example.  Reusable glass syringes wouldn't be that much more expensive if they were produced in the same number as disposable plastic syringes.<<

Based on what? They're more expensive to make and more expensive to ship. That's real money and a real number less that can be bought with the same amount of limited currency.

>>Secondly, because they could be reused again and again, they prove to be cheaper to the consumer than disposable plastic syringes (if they had actually not reused the one-time use syringes, that is).<<

This presumes that the fuel for heating is _that_ much cheaper than the chemicals for cleansing. This may or may not be true. In any event, that we have to question the actions of the aid organizations giving/administering substances with these syringes is not mitigated by a switch to glass.

I wish there was any simple conclusion to arrive at. It doesn't sound like aid organizations are responsibly disposing of syringes they don't expect to reuse responsibly, and these areas tend to have such weak and impoverished governments that they don't care or have no power/control anyway.

1,997

(125 replies, posted in Politics)

No amount of PR can sell people shit on a bun. Money alone does not determine political influence in a democratic state.

And standard of living "relative" to the elite means absolutely nothing. Unless your principle motivations are greed and jealousy. A nation where people have $30,000 annual income is better than a nation where people have $200. Period. That some people in the $30,000 nation have nice cars, huge houses, and jets means absolutely nothing about the standard of living of the poor/middle class. The "relative" standard of living is absolutely irrelevant and you're only bringing it up out of greed and jealousy. Greed and jealousy do not make good political arguments, and they are not evidence in support of any position.

Simply put: Your greed and jealousy have nothing to do with the fact that we have progressed a great way since 300 B.C. They are in no way evidence that we haven't.

1,998

(26 replies, posted in Politics)

Anarchists are communists... so no. They simply phrase their arguments as if "the people" will naturally do what they, in fact, want a communist government to do. Because they want a government to do things in the name of "the people," they pretend it's not an all-powerful government at all and thus call themselves anarchists.  It's equivocation over semantics: They're communists.

Anyone who just got the urge to tell me I'm wrong should first go educate themselves. It's not really up for discussion. Nobody is so dumb as to think that a state of anarchy could ever persist for more than moments. Maybe a few dumb kids showing up don't think so, but that doesn't change the fact that 99% of "anarchists" advocating anything are advocating 100% communist causes.

Social contract theory is epic. Libertarians should rule the world. And if you disagree, you're a fanatic. tongue

1,999

(26 replies, posted in Politics)

Everyone who disagrees with me is wrong. And a fanatic. Because it's that obvious that I'm right. Duh.

2,000

(18 replies, posted in Politics)

Pretty colors.

"That's not just a theoretical statement, it's literally true." Which is, of course, a literally false statement. It just insulted your intelligence. I guess the people that deserve the insult won't be aware to be offended.

It goes on to mention some obvious truths about corporate government corruption/tyranny, as if that can make up for the fact that they just bombarded us with false claims about alien technology. If what they claimed was "literally true" was true, they'd demonstrate it and I wouldn't be making fun of them on teh interwebs. What they said was not theoretical is 100% theoretical. I don't have anything to gain from people speaking English who have a 6th grade vocabulary, misuse words, and hire editors so horrible they let this embarrassing, insulting garbage go to broadcast.