3,701

(98 replies, posted in Politics)

Then I would argue we need a redefinition of the word "terrorist," or a new term altogether.

What the US is fighting is very simple: the INTENDED use of violence and threats AGAINST CIVILIANS to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes

That change means two things:
1: If a suicide bomber attacks a military establishment, it's warfare.  If a suicide bomber attacks a civilian establishment, it's terrorism.  The government has the right to fight against both.  But when we criticize "terrorism," we specifically refer to the second.  This also separates terrorists from so-called "freedom fighters."
2: "Intended" means that it can't be an accident.  A bomb that misses its target and hits a wedding doesn't mean the US is a terrorist.  A direct US attack against a wedding is terrorist.



And one more thing... Who ever said military-level foreign relations WASN'T hypocritical?  At the military level, ideology, politics, and all your textbook analysis go out the window, in place of simple caveman logic: That guy gonna kill me!  I kill that guy first!  Ooga ooga!

I'm not saying that is a bad thing.  If we accept that the use of military force is justified... then we have to accept that our ability to understand warfare through a non-military lens is ineffective.

3,702

(3 replies, posted in Politics)

Bombing separatist groups doesn't make it a racial/cultural issue.


Lots of Kurdish regions are attempting to gain independence from their respective nations in order to gain cultural self-determination.  Fair goal.  But in just the same way, many of these nations can't allow independence due to economic concerns.  Example: Iraqi Kurdistan is home to huge amounts of oil fields, Turkish Kurdistan is freaking huge...

3,703

(714 replies, posted in Politics)

I love when the people on that show decide to make fun of some people for being too crazy even for them...

I remember one show, the radio host picks up the phone... Conversation goes like this:

Hello, caller!  What's on your mind?
OH, GOD!  I'VE BEEN POISONED!  I USED TO WORK IN THAT AREA 51 PLACE, AND NOW I'VE BEEN POISONED
Well, can you give me more information?
I DON'T WANT TO DIE!  I'VE BEEN POISONED!
I can't help you unless you give me more information... can you tell me anything?
I'VE BEEN POISONED!
Caller?  Hmm... the line dropped... Okay, next caller...


They made fun of him all day.  tongue

3,704

(14 replies, posted in Politics)

> ☭ Fokker wrote:

> Don't all industries earn their own way, or is there some new business fad that nobody told us about?



Umm... industries that would otherwise fail without government intervention don't earn their own way.  GM?  tongue

3,705

(714 replies, posted in Politics)

> Lizon wrote:

> They talk about them a lot on Coast to Coast with George Noory.....along with UFO's, government conspiracies, and "proof" that Elvis is alive. -.-;



Don't dismiss everything they say on that show.  I once listened to an episode where they were talking about the financial crisis.  Now the host was trying to analyze it from a real-world perspective... "oh, shit, this could be a huge economic collapse!"  Anyway, his callers, one after another, suggest things such as, "The financial crisis was orchestrated to herald the coming of the Antichrist" and whatever other conspiracy theories you could come up with.  The host, one by one, rebuked them, and actually had a real-world, no-bullshit discussion.

(I thought it was funny that the conspiracy theory host was suddenly caught knee-deep in conspiracy theory callers when he wanted to avoid conspiracy theories...)

3,706

(7 replies, posted in Politics)

Have you two stopped trying to make sense?

3,707

(32 replies, posted in Politics)

That's subjective.

3,708

(32 replies, posted in Politics)

Subjectivity is subjective...

3,709

(7 replies, posted in Politics)

> Chris_Balsz wrote:

> ok wiseass, name three.


Arguments in favor of your stance?  Not my job.  It's your opinion.  You name three.  tongue

3,710

(7 replies, posted in Politics)

> Zarf BeebleBrix wrote:

> Not that I disagree, but maybe you should provide an argument in favor of your side, rather than literally saying five words in favor of it.  tongue

3,711

(714 replies, posted in Politics)

Okay, so I'm a "right" answer... you just believe there is a "more right" answer... fair enough... once we hear it.  tongue

3,712

(714 replies, posted in Politics)

Lizon, you still haven't provided an argument as to why biodigesters don't work.  You just said "no."

3,713

(714 replies, posted in Politics)

Yeah...

Biodigesters operate on small scales (family farms) or on large scales (industrial-scale versions in the US and Europe).

Safe?  Not really any prior accidents occurring... you would have to define "safe" here, really... In addition, it could be argued that in the "safety" factor, we can add the issue of what would occur with the fuel if it was not used in biodigesters.  Studies have shown that these systems can destroy bacteria through the chemical process, creating a more clean and efficient manure than if the fuel were directly used as manure.

This solves external issues beyond basic energy, that being the disposal of human and animal waste.

Easy to maintain?  Small systems are given to third world farmers to run and maintain themselves... I guess that means they can be run easily!

Fuel is plentiful?  How often do you take a shit?  How often do cows take a shit?  How often do all domesticated animals and all humans collectively take a shit?  Considering that we currently collect that shit through plumbing systems, we have access to unused waste, plus future generations of waste.

3,714

(714 replies, posted in Politics)

Biodigesters?  Huh?  Considering they are used in developing nations (especially farms)...

Just FYI: A biodigester is a system that collects animal and/or human shit and extracts the methane, then burns the methane to produce energy.

3,715

(32 replies, posted in Politics)

> [RPA] Arocalex wrote:

> 5. Your presidents



I want to get into this one in particular...


Okay, countries such as Great Britain have two different leaders: A political leader and a symbolic leader.  The political leader is open for criticism: People can attack Gordon Brown if they want, and it's reasonably acceptable because his position is deciding policy.  But if you start personally attacking the Queen of England... whoo boy... that's bad.  Why?  Because the Queen isn't a political actor: She's a representative of the nation, its heritage, and its tradition.  If you attack the Queen, you attack the country itself.



Herein lies the problem: The US doesn't have this.  We have a political leader, but our symbolic leader is also the political leader.  Thus, when you do attack the President, you essentially do the exact same thing as if someone were to personally attack the Queen of England.


Does that explain the issue?

3,716

(714 replies, posted in Politics)

I'll take that bone with two guesses:

Solar energy and biodigesters.

3,717

(32 replies, posted in Politics)

My guess would be it's balanced based on utilitarian calculus, rather than ideology.

3,718

(32 replies, posted in Politics)

Bring a shotgun into the shower, then!

3,719

(63 replies, posted in Politics)

I'm guessing Zimbabwe.

3,720

(714 replies, posted in Politics)

Lizon, I tried making this city argument, and xeno still didn't answer it.  Don't even bother.

3,721

(75 replies, posted in Politics)

You're insane.  Happy?

3,722

(75 replies, posted in Politics)

> [TI] Primo wrote:

> God believes in religion. Quote of the year.



What of God was an Atheist?  "Nope.  I don't exist."



By the way, Flint's idea is bad!  Not because of the intent, but because the method is just bad!  I know when I hear... um... just about ANYONE start randomly talking about politics, it's an automatic turn-off to listening to them.  I'm a sucker for any kind of political debate, but when you go to extremes of interrupting everyday life uninvited, it becomes a hindrance to your own cause.

3,723

(32 replies, posted in Politics)

The right to privacy was an established right under the 9th amendment in the Constitution since shortly after the document was written.


Remember the 9th?  It basically says that, although the Constitution grants people X, Y, and Z rights, those are not the limits of the rights individuals have... meaning they have other rights (including privacy).


As for your slippery slopes... seriously?  That applies to every right!


Should we have freedom of religion?  What if that religion blatantly advocates killing the Jews?  (i.e., US neo-Nazi groups that claimed religious rights)

Freedom of the press?  What if the press uses its power to obtain military secrets?




It's simple: A "freedom" is not absolute.  You have freedoms, but you lose those freedoms once they interfere with another person's ability to exercise their freedoms (generally speaking, that's the way it works).  We don't need to choose between "should we have a right to privacy" and "omg, 13TZ PUT C4M3R4Z 1N 3VRY1'Z B3DR00MZ!"

3,724

(10 replies, posted in Politics)

Some good ol' hyperinflation would make that "national debt" thing go away in about six days!  big_smile


Just sayin...  (In case you were wondering, no.  There is no point to this post)

3,725

(24 replies, posted in Politics)

You son of a bitch!


Oh well... back to the cubicle...