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BW, as I mentioned before it's a matter of intent.  I don't know anyone who's bought a car with the sole intent of using it to run someone over.  A gun is a weapon, it has a single purpose and it is assumed anyone buying a gun intends to use it for that purpose.  Also like I said I don't support banning guns but I recognize the value of excercising some control over who can own them.  I feel the same way about cars, if someone has a record of running people over maliciously it makes sense to me not to allow that person to own a car.

The problem with the gun control discussion is that people who are against it only see the extreme of an all out ban on guns.  It is possible to control something without banning it entirely; see cigarettes and alcohol.

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Does the constituition allows an USA citizens to bear arms in all situations?

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probably not.  I think this decision is limited.

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true, matter of intent.

law-abiding citizens buy weapons for two purposes: hunting and defending their homes from non-law abiding citizens.

making a law prohibiting guns does what?

is it so hard to see?

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BW's weird comments:
"SHouldnt be allowed to run someone over at will." - No it's not allowed...

"I didnt realize that having the right to own a gun, meant you can shoot peole on your lawn."
In at least one of your states that is allowed. Remember that danish reporter that accidently steped into someones lawn while writing in his notebook and almost got shot cause of it. (and I talk about restircions when owning a gun ofc...)


And Thebes. How many % of the people buys a GUN (not a rifle...) to hunt with? 0%?
Defending their homes? Ehh, how come it's not needed in any other (western) country I know off to have a gun loaded and ready to fire to protect your home? yikes

Just add more restrictions to owning a gun and it should get better in 10-20 years time or something.

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"Defending their homes? Ehh, how come it's not needed in any other (western) country I know off to have a gun loaded and ready to fire to protect your home? "

I dunno, don't people go door to door and beat old folks to death with a mallet over there?  They do here.

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It is disparing that my girlfriend lives in such a country that takes more ID to buy Alcohol than it does a gun..... can i get drunk for my batchelors party?  no but i can shoot my wife on our honeymoon..... It is horrible that a small minute few control such a country... it is these non sensical bastards that give off a poor impression of America to the rest of the world, which truly is a fantastic place. Despite the enormous amount of guncrime/school shootings etc etc that goes on. Pride over prudence is never wise. The US Supreme court which in its own sense goes against democracy itself as a UNELECTED Sovereign political entity that has the ability to make deciscions like this. Its sickening... it truly is... that a country so great is allowed to rip itself apart from the inside. Due to peoples lack of vision.... if you can't ban guns? why the HELL cant you licsence them...... its ****ing retarded.

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"if you can't ban guns? why the HELL cant you licsence them...... its ****ing retarded."

because the right to bear arms is a basic freedom; it would be like making a license necessary for freedom of speech.

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Which country is that 111?

Over here to buy a handgun from a dealer you need to show ID. It gets tracked via your getting cleared to buy that gun.

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I have 5 guns in my house, a few guns at camp. (canadian)

You should need a hunting license to purchase a gun.

I don't think you should be able to purchase handguns either.

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"It is disparing that my girlfriend lives in such a country that takes more ID to buy Alcohol than it does a gun..... "

Where at? To get alcohol here, you show some govt id proving you're over 21.  To get a gun, you get a state firearms permit for each specific gun you want, swear to a clean background and no prior convictions, give the federal govt the same info with the id of the exact gun, a true and correct address, and wait at least three days for a background check.

can i get drunk for my batchelors party?  no but i can shoot my wife on our honeymoon.....

You may not do either.

"It is horrible that a small minute few control such a country... it is these non sensical bastards that give off a poor impression of America to the rest of the world, which truly is a fantastic place. Despite the enormous amount of guncrime/school shootings etc etc that goes on. Pride over prudence is never wise. The US Supreme court which in its own sense goes against democracy itself as a UNELECTED Sovereign political entity that has the ability to make deciscions like this. Its sickening... it truly is... that a country so great is allowed to rip itself apart from the inside. Due to peoples lack of vision.... if you can't ban guns? why the HELL cant you licsence them...... its ****ing retarded."

The federal govt banned large categories of guns.  You can't have a shotgun with a barrel shorter than 18 inches.  You can't own an automatic weapon.  Licensing is done by the states, and more restrictions lately by city--which are now going to vanish, I think

From the beginning of this country there were privately owned guns.  I am kind of sorry Scalia ran down the militia in his ruling, because it was understood that the People collectively have the right to collective action in a crisis independent of any govt authority.  Forest fire? Call out the militia.  Flood? Call out the militia.  british troops going to rape boston? Call out the militia.  that's why the militia was considered #2 on alist of ten things the federal govt must never take away.   It's pretty much gone now, mainly because things rarely get that bad, and also because of technology making the National guard so much simpler, but also I fear, as demonstrated by those stupid "Killer Animal" stories I post from time to time, that private citizens will suffer injury and death waiting for govt to solve their problems for them.  "Oh no! Mister Whiskahs is attacking us! Why won't county do something about it!"  The men who fell on Lexington Common would spin in their graves to know that one.

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Why is it so hard for you people that support taking away a persons right to understand ??

The Govt. is not all knowing, all deciding.

If I want to own a gun, that is my right.  Period. 

It doesnt mean I will shoot someone on my lawn.
It doesnt mean I will kill someone just because I have a gun.
It means that, if the situation arises, I have the means to defend myself and my family.
or
I have the means to assemble w/my neighbors and enforce our rights if need be.


When you ban gun ownership, you make sure only criminals have the guns.....and the knowledge that you do not.


Taking ways guns doesnt save lives.....in my opinion, it kills more people.

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"When you ban gun ownership, you make sure only criminals have the guns.....and the knowledge that you do not."

Thats a very good point.

I have no problem with respectable people owning a gun. There are limits i believe:

- No one with a psychiatric disability (Mentally unstable)
- No one who has a proven record of crime (which also should include drug charges and abuse, etc).

The other problem i have, is that people in the U.S. want to remove enforced gun-lock (safety) features, and that sort of thing. Thats like removing the extra safety features of a construction site -- STUPID!

Also i disagree with being able to carry a concealed weapon. I am not going to say 'outlaw' it, because not being allowed to carry a concealed weapon still has problems, but there has to be some sort of middleway.

"Taking ways guns doesnt save lives.....in my opinion, it kills more people."

I disagree.

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Ok lets talk

Mental disorders? Some yes... a person with severe depression during the time of depression, a person who has a disorder which makes his actions differ nonstop could be permament... a person with a phobia to cats however... no

Proven record of crime... well no felons in the United States can ever own a gun again. PERIOD. Yet a lot seek out guns sadly.... but wholly agreed there.


Gun locks?


Hmmm, well right now I live in a house with a married couple, both security officers, an ex-marine recon guy... and a 20 year old gal who worked in a pharmacy (she's moving out to help her sister).

The security couple is the only ones with firearms currently on the property, she is unemployed at the moment, and he works armed security. He keeps gun locks and such on his guns as a natural thing.

However if I had a rifle on this property, in my locking room, I would not feel obliged to have a gun lock at all. The environment is one that if someone was brazen enough to enter an ALWAYS occupied house with 3 BIG guys, then they need to be shot fast imho. No negotiation there, no delays desired.

If I am living with myself only in a house, and I have guns, I am not gun locking them. Not gonna happen, sorry. Most I might do is run a cable through the guns trigger guards linked to a heavy duty bolt into the floor or wall. Thats so when I am away no one would steal them.


Married with Children? Matters on the childrens age and the amount of training with guns I am able to provide them. I would never move to another persons house who had children and not lock up the guns however.

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if you can't get find a way to get alcohol for your bachelor's party, then your a looooooooser.

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"Mental disorders? Some yes... a person with severe depression during the time of depression, a person who has a disorder which makes his actions differ nonstop could be permament... a person with a phobia to cats however... no"

What the hell sort of comment was that :S. I think my IQ just dropped a point from reading it.

"However if I had a rifle on this property, in my locking room, I would not feel obliged to have a gun lock at all. The environment is one that if someone was brazen enough to enter an ALWAYS occupied house with 3 BIG guys, then they need to be shot fast imho. No negotiation there, no delays desired."

Maybe you should think about booby-trapping your doors and windows with some C4...You know, just in case.

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"I dunno, don't people go door to door and beat old folks to death with a mallet over there?  They do here."

Um, I've never heard that that happened in my country. I've never heard that happening in your country either though. I'm not following your news that closely though. Also I've extremely rarely heard anyone going inside someones house just to kill the persons in there at all. It happened a few times in history... more usualy it's the people that already live in the house that uses the guns (on eachother)...
And I really dunno if it's worth killing someone that enters your house either, even if this person would steal some cash from you. Doubt there is a death conviction on that.


And Flint...
"However if I had a rifle on this property, in my locking room, I would not feel obliged to have a gun lock at all. The environment is one that if someone was brazen enough to enter an ALWAYS occupied house with 3 BIG guys, then they need to be shot fast imho. No negotiation there, no delays desired."

Um, who the heck would want to break into that house? Nobody. So no guns needed.

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"Um, who the heck would want to break into that house? Nobody. So no guns needed."

terrorist.. the evil ones

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i have one thing to say to you einstein.... gunshows.....

you didnt say [stuff] about liscencing? whats the problem? where in the constitution does it say "bear arms with no questions asked?"

and your liscencing laws are not strict and vary from state to state... and some states willgive you the gun while there still doing  background checks.... excactly why do you need guns anyway?


Gun Deaths per 100,000 pop
                                 Homocide /Suicide/Accident or Other
USA (2001)                  3.98/      5.92/            0.36
England/Wales (2002)    0.15/       0.2/            0.03
Scotland (2002)            0.06/       0.2/             0.02

notice the difference between a country that firearms are illegal... and ones that are legal..... now how much of a tard do you have to be? i mean seriously.... =P it speaks for itself....

by the way its not just the UK.... Italy.... France.... etc etc... tongue all lower... why? psssttttt we dont have guns....

In the UK it took one incident in the 80s, to completely abolish semi automatic weapons in the UK(automatic already banned by the way) with or without licensing.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_Massacre#Licensed_firearms_ownership

if you want some reading.....

Dunblane then saw the abolishment of handguns,

lets compare that to the states

"an average of 16.5 student homicide victims each year "

................... i cant believe so many people can see these people's lives as mere pathetic statistics....

another thing... your schools? your safer schools? have metal detectors... and armed securtiy guards/cops..... in the UK/Europe thats unheard of..... yknow why? cos WE CANT BUY GUNS

In the UK you were allowed to smoke opium until 1914.... you don't just get stuck in the mud and say "well we've been doing it for hundreds of years so we might as well carry on" you make a stand and you say no! this is bad! lets remove the problem.

And as for guns protect from guns.... pssssssst..... if they couldnt get guns in the first place...... you wouldnt "neeeed" guns to protect yourself from them....

"However if I had a rifle on this property, in my locking room, I would not feel obliged to have a gun lock at all. The environment is one that if someone was brazen enough to enter an ALWAYS occupied house with 3 BIG guys, then they need to be shot fast imho. No negotiation there, no delays desired."

seriously.... if someone who wrote this can get a gun..... your fighting my argument guys....

the point is... serial killers..  fraudmen, murderers, you see them on the news and "ooo he seemed like such a nice man" if there neighbours cant tell... then how is anyone else...

plus you have crimes of passion, let me tell you, it takes a lot longer, and more effort to beat someone to death or such like than pull a trigger and automatically regret it.... a gun can be pulled in an instant, and fired just the same.

Don't think i don't know what i'm talking about, i have studied law for years. You guys need to really think, move away from your perspectives that have been bred into you and really think, think for yourselves.... think about if someone you loved was shot.... would you want to buy a gun and take down the person who took away the person you loved or would you want to stop the same atrocity happening to millions of other people by stopping these people having the guns in the first place. I can't argue any more.. the facts are simple, the rest of the world can see. Ignorance is no excuse.

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o and by the by even "gun-trained" people make "mistakes"

FRIENDLY FIRE INCIDENTS:

March 22: A British Royal Air Force (RAF) Tornado jet is accidentally shot down by a US Patriot missile. The Tornado's two crew are killed.

March 27: 37 US Marines are injured when US troops mistakenly fire at each other near the southern city of Nasiriyah.

March 28: A British soldier is killed and four others are injured in the region of Basra when a US A-10 ground attack aircraft fires on them.

April 2: An F-18 US fighter jet is downed, probably by a US Patriot missile. The pilot is reported missing.

April 3: A US serviceman mistaken for an Iraqi soldier is shot dead by his own troops in central Iraq.

April 6: 18 Kurdish fighters are killed and 45 wounded near Arbil in northern Iraq when US aircraft mistakenly bomb a joint US-Kurdish convoy.

According to the website of the American War Library, just over half of the coalition troops killed or injured during the 1991 Gulf War were victims of friendly fire incidents.

Of those, about 165 US casualties were due to "friendly fire" out of a total of 367 Americans who lost their lives, it said.


March 22: A US soldier at a camp in Kuwait lobs grenades into the tents of fellow soldiers, killing two and wounding 11 others.

If "fully trained" soldiers cant handle guns, why are you handing them out to the general population?

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Player Re: US Supreme Court: Do Not Restrict Guns"Um, who the heck would want to break into that house? Nobody. So no guns needed."

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Huh? Terrorists? They would go to 3 unknown "BIG GUYS" and try to kill them? yikes Geez tongue

And I totaly agree with 111's post.

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"Um, I've never heard that that happened in my country. I've never heard that happening in your country either though. I'm not following your news that closely though. Also I've extremely rarely heard anyone going inside someones house just to kill the persons in there at all. It happened a few times in history... more usualy it's the people that already live in the house that uses the guns (on eachother)..."

googled "murder Home invasion"

CBS/AP) The two men accused of a brutal Connecticut home invasion may not have had violent crimes in their long lists of prior convictions, but sources tell local newspapers the pair's record changed when they invaded the home of a prominent doctor early Monday morning.

Joshua Komisarjevsky, 26, of Cheshire, and Steven Hayes, 44, of Winsted, were arraigned Tuesday on charges of assault, sexual assault, kidnapping, burglary, robbery, arson, larceny and risk of injury to children. More charges are pending, state police said Tuesday night. The two men could face the death penalty.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/25/national/main3095614.shtml?source=mostpop_story

A Massachusetts man was arrested in connection to yesterday

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of course some people won't know the law...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPuM_XAo2BE

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*googled "murder Home invasion"


And completely ignored every substantive point in 111s post

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yeah I was answering agh

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