i have one thing to say to you einstein.... gunshows.....
you didnt say [stuff] about liscencing? whats the problem? where in the constitution does it say "bear arms with no questions asked?"
and your liscencing laws are not strict and vary from state to state... and some states willgive you the gun while there still doing background checks.... excactly why do you need guns anyway?
Gun Deaths per 100,000 pop
Homocide /Suicide/Accident or Other
USA (2001) 3.98/ 5.92/ 0.36
England/Wales (2002) 0.15/ 0.2/ 0.03
Scotland (2002) 0.06/ 0.2/ 0.02
notice the difference between a country that firearms are illegal... and ones that are legal..... now how much of a tard do you have to be? i mean seriously.... =P it speaks for itself....
by the way its not just the UK.... Italy.... France.... etc etc...
all lower... why? psssttttt we dont have guns....
In the UK it took one incident in the 80s, to completely abolish semi automatic weapons in the UK(automatic already banned by the way) with or without licensing.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_Massacre#Licensed_firearms_ownership
if you want some reading.....
Dunblane then saw the abolishment of handguns,
lets compare that to the states
"an average of 16.5 student homicide victims each year "
................... i cant believe so many people can see these people's lives as mere pathetic statistics....
another thing... your schools? your safer schools? have metal detectors... and armed securtiy guards/cops..... in the UK/Europe thats unheard of..... yknow why? cos WE CANT BUY GUNS
In the UK you were allowed to smoke opium until 1914.... you don't just get stuck in the mud and say "well we've been doing it for hundreds of years so we might as well carry on" you make a stand and you say no! this is bad! lets remove the problem.
And as for guns protect from guns.... pssssssst..... if they couldnt get guns in the first place...... you wouldnt "neeeed" guns to protect yourself from them....
"However if I had a rifle on this property, in my locking room, I would not feel obliged to have a gun lock at all. The environment is one that if someone was brazen enough to enter an ALWAYS occupied house with 3 BIG guys, then they need to be shot fast imho. No negotiation there, no delays desired."
seriously.... if someone who wrote this can get a gun..... your fighting my argument guys....
the point is... serial killers.. fraudmen, murderers, you see them on the news and "ooo he seemed like such a nice man" if there neighbours cant tell... then how is anyone else...
plus you have crimes of passion, let me tell you, it takes a lot longer, and more effort to beat someone to death or such like than pull a trigger and automatically regret it.... a gun can be pulled in an instant, and fired just the same.
Don't think i don't know what i'm talking about, i have studied law for years. You guys need to really think, move away from your perspectives that have been bred into you and really think, think for yourselves.... think about if someone you loved was shot.... would you want to buy a gun and take down the person who took away the person you loved or would you want to stop the same atrocity happening to millions of other people by stopping these people having the guns in the first place. I can't argue any more.. the facts are simple, the rest of the world can see. Ignorance is no excuse.
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