Re: Obama or McCain?

spider, we are basically learning from past mistakes, we left Afghanistan in ruins after we helped them defeat the soviets, and the taliban and Osama Bin Laden thrived in it, making a stable Iraq is in our long term interests. Also, how is leaving Iraq going to improve our economy if Obama is president? its not.

Re: Obama or McCain?

McCain wasnt born in the US,he cant be president.

The inmates are running the asylum

Re: Obama or McCain?

i think nolio basically summed it all up

and yeah i guess voting against or for someone is a moral decision, everyone will have their own opinion..i think it's wrong but meh w/e

and avo it will improve our economy because we will after recalling troops have stopped spending millions everyday on a war that i in my opinion think is useless, and we could then use those millions to better the lives of americans, rather than worsen the lives of iraqis and americans by continuing the war

Re: Obama or McCain?

Talking to the enemy is a bad move. Who does not understand this?


Let me put this in IC terms for the ignorant.


Your family: 1000 planets, 10,000,000 NW #1 ranked NW/Size

Other Family: 75 planets, 750,000 NW #35 ranked NW/Size

You have planets 5 ticks from their home system on the left, and 6 ticks on the right. You have these from a war you did with the #2 family (The Soviets, hehehe)

You have fully portalled, have made it your goal to not farm anyone under 12th ranked (Only 12th cause it had someone you hated in it, otherwise you have not warred anyone or attacked anyone except the top 8, though you have knocked 5 families from the top 8 which means a total of 12 wars at this moment)


The small family sabs portals on your bankers (The only occupants of the systems) and then takes the planets. The banker manages to defend one due to massed lasers, and starts retaking, and exploring as he blows the planets. He says he wont do anything else, just leave him alone, and tries to explain how the difference is and how he dont wanna ruin their round, etc.

The small fam dont care for whatever reason. Oh I know you want a reason... ok the guy is a total jerk, makes 1/2 his fams income on the market, and without him they would be last. He just loves being a jerk, and ruining his fams by angering top fams...

So the small fam jumps agents, and nukes your poppers quite successfully, rather astonishingly well.



Now you can


A) Offer 100 planets for peace

B) Offer the 43 planets in the two systems for peace

C) Send an attacker to try to bump him off (And suffer about 70 more nukes over the next few days)

D) Have your whole family reverse coarse and jump to fight this dinky family

E) Bitch in Uni News (UN council hehe) and hope others mock the guy into submission

F) Tell yourself that you should have crushed the man the moment he touched your bankers, not tried being nice, and just got the job done, and now finally do what you should have done.





Talking with a fanatic will get you no where fast, in games and in RL. They will always want more, and will always seek to destroy you even if the odds are against them.

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Re: Obama or McCain?

Lmfaooo tongue

i gotta admit that was preety funny big_smile

Re: Obama or McCain?

> Gladiator wrote:

>

and avo it will improve our economy because we will after recalling troops have stopped spending millions everyday on a war that i in my opinion think is useless, and we could then use those millions to better the lives of americans, rather than worsen the lives of iraqis and americans by continuing the war

what would obama spend the money on to improve the economy?

Re: Obama or McCain?

Obama has said (and I fully agree) that we need to find other resources other than oil to build and support our economy with. Atm, if all it takes to cripple our economy is soaring oil prices, then we really aren't that big of a nation after all.

Flint, your story is ridiculous btw. The situation would be more like:

You are the #1 family in IC and the #35 family is 12 ticks from you.

One guy goes rogue and nukes a banker destroying tax offices and running fighters.



The leader of the #1 family spends the whole family's economy and jumps fleet to retaliate. He goes to uni news and complains and asks for illegal alliances and then goes to the #35 ranked family's core and rapes them.

The little family does retakes and stuff but the big family keeps on running fighters, stationing ground, destroying units and planting nukes. The big family finds morale planets but the little family won't let the big family have them. The big family keeps spending resources to get the morale planets but the small family has nothing to lose because the big family will just keep taking more and more so they just keep fighting.

The #1 family eventually loses a lot of infra, pop and stops growing. They fall to #10. The small family drops to #40 but they keep fighting. Meanwhile, other families in IC don't want to trade on the market with the #10 family.


So basically everyone in the #10 family wants to get back to the top and they want a new leader. One guy wants to lead but says "ok, lets keep trying to get those morale planets."

The other guys says "Ok, forget the morale planets. Lets sign a nap and build infra"


Flint, don't compare anything to IC till you get good at the game:p

Sex without the e is still SX!

58 (edited by Justinian I 09-Jun-2008 09:18:51)

Re: Obama or McCain?

There is nothing wrong with talking to your enemies. Diplomacy can accomplish your goals with much less cost. What is wrong is giving huge concessions that weaken you but empower your enemy.

Flint, buy a copy of Sun Tzu's Art of War. I think you will be able to pick out a number of mistakes that Bush is making according to this timeless work on warfare. A prolonged war is one of them. Sun Tzu states that wars should be ended quickly and decisively, and prolonged wars avoided.

Re: Obama or McCain?

After signing a NAP with Iraq and Afghanistan, who should the United States war to get back to #1 in your scenario Spidermanbearpig?

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Re: Obama or McCain?

Thats what you get when you play too much IC.

Re: Obama or McCain?

I'ma vote for Nader cause Obame and McCain SUCK!

Re: Obama or McCain?

>>McCain wasnt born in the US,he cant be president.<<

He was born in the Panama Canal Zone, and given the recent Supreme Court decision in Hamdan v. US regarding Guantanamo Bay detainees, which said the Constitution applies whereever our armed forces operate, they'd probably say he met the definition of native-born.

"I'ma vote for Nader cause Obame and McCain SUCK"

Joor, you .... uh...well there's something wrong there but I'll have to get back to you as to what...

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Re: Obama or McCain?

> TheYell wrote:

> "I'ma vote for Nader cause Obame and McCain SUCK"

Joor, you .... uh...well there's something wrong there but I'll have to get back to you as to what...

Maybe what's wrong with him is the fact that he removed his picture, changed his signature, and changed his name to Cody for one post.  smile

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Re: Obama or McCain?

I was typing fast while my boss came up behind me... sad

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Re: Obama or McCain?

Tell your boss that I said "hi!"  smile

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Re: Obama or McCain?

@Simon

You don't war to get back to #1. you infrawhore:p

Sex without the e is still SX!

Re: Obama or McCain?

Gladiator:
"and yeah i guess voting against or for someone is a moral decision, everyone will have their own opinion..i think it's wrong but meh w/e"


so you think everything democracy is based on is wrong?  It's wrong for people to have their own opinions?  That's what you said... right there... you aren't following a candidate - you're following a rockstar like a teenage girl.

My sweet lord, obama might be intelligent, so might his supporters, but you certainly, *most* certainly, in fact - are not.

Re: Obama or McCain?

> windowsME wrote:

> Gladiator:
"and yeah i guess voting against or for someone is a moral decision, everyone will have their own opinion..i think it's wrong but meh w/e"


so you think everything democracy is based on is wrong?  It's wrong for people to have their own opinions?  That's what you said... right there... you aren't following a candidate - you're following a rockstar like a teenage girl.

My sweet lord, obama might be intelligent, so might his supporters, but you certainly, *most* certainly, in fact - are not.



my God, how long did it take for you to figure that out, genius?

Re: Obama or McCain?

"He was born in the Panama Canal Zone, and given the recent Supreme Court decision in Hamdan v. US regarding Guantanamo Bay detainees, which said the Constitution applies whereever our armed forces operate, they'd probably say he met the definition of native-born."

If he was born to an American citizen, then he automatically gets the citizenship status.

Re: Obama or McCain?

i would vote for Obama

why? he is more charming

US-credit as the leader nation of the western world has reached a level of hate in most nations we call "the west". dictatorships are more and more in fashion, after even the USA has started to torture humans, imprison them with no rights and waging wars against international agreement with all their allies. we need a charming tour to show the world that democracy is the better choice than economic prosperty & total control (china, russia, vietnam...). there are again two systems fighting each other and this time we have the inferior cards. as long as the USA is not able to lead moralic, we will lose ground in this struggle. McCain ist republican, old and follows the old ways, leading to nowhere. no kind welcome in "Old europe". Obama would be worth a parade, because his smile can change a lot more than a few thousand soldiers more in iraq can ever achieve.

Re: Obama or McCain?

Well hell, ditch them both for the animatronic Lincoln from Disney World!!

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Re: Obama or McCain?

Gladiator. Our  voting system is based on a preferential system as with nearly all voting systems. You prefer option A to option B. This is why we hold the primaries to make the system more accurately reflect the desires of the public. It is also why adding a "loser" candidate can really hurt election turnouts from the standing of majority rule. See Arrow's impossibility theorem....

73 (edited by Gladiator 10-Jun-2008 23:33:15)

Re: Obama or McCain?

> windowsME wrote:

> Gladiator:
"and yeah i guess voting against or for someone is a moral decision, everyone will have their own opinion..i think it's wrong but meh w/e"


so you think everything democracy is based on is wrong?  It's wrong for people to have their own opinions?  That's what you said... right there... you aren't following a candidate - you're following a rockstar like a teenage girl.

My sweet lord, obama might be intelligent, so might his supporters, but you certainly, *most* certainly, in fact - are not.



YES!!! i'm obama girl in disguise..any problem?

actually this is another point..when was the last time you saw a politician have a cheerleader yikes ...obama kicks ass big_smile


and oh in all seriousness don't challenge me for my beliefs please that kinda offends me..you'd be lucky to be even half as smart as me ..(don't judge me on my sarcastic posts--if you can't see the humour..i'm sorry for you tongue) and "It's wrong for people to have their own opinions" how did i say that?? i said it..i think it's wrong for ME to vote that way cuz i have my beliefs..i either vote for a candidate or not vote at all... that's my opinion ..ofcourse i think my opinions the greatest..that's why i choose that to be my belief =S [if that makes sense] ..i don't care what you do..i just stated MY belief..follow it or not..i could care less big_smile

Re: Obama or McCain?

dont mind winME, he's a texas redneck tongue EEEHAAA!!!!

Re: Obama or McCain?

"and oh in all seriousness don't challenge me for my beliefs please that kinda offends me"

now you're talking like Obama

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