Topic: Obama or McCain?

let's make it simple, it's on everyone's minds


we won't get into arguments right now...PLEASE don't get into arguments right NOW
for now

Post:
who you will vote or want to vote or think everyone should vote
and a briefly tell us why you think your candidate is a better one

try not to bring the other candidate in to your post like saying
"i pick mccain because i don't like obama"

rather you have to name the good qualities of your candidate, which make him the better president

Re: Obama or McCain?

I pick Clinton.

"Oh no, she's out!"


No really, I'd pick Obama, while I'm not even from the US. His speeches have been exciting and I really think he can bring good changes to the US.

Re: Obama or McCain?

McCain since he wont destroy the nation. Obama will handicap the military, do his best to end the lives of millions of Iraqi's with a speedy withdrawl which would kill the chances for that nation... He would negotiate with every terrorist organization, give them payoffs of some sort (They only will negotiate with payoffs, I will form a terrorist org with the requirement of amnesty, ten million dollars, and the arrest of 10 democrats and imprisonment of them, then back off from the imprisonment and arrest part as part of the negotiating...) and give concessions to every nation that has a grudge against the United States as 'payment for our wrong doings'...


McCain will only do about 1/4 of the Harm Obama will do, therefore my vote is McCain.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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Re: Obama or McCain?

OMG tongue einstien, read my post again

i said do not mention the other candidate yet, post about the good things of your candidate, it's really sad you can't write one thing but still choose to vote him

Re: Obama or McCain?

I am voting for McCain because he supports the expansion of free trade.


I'm really interested to see where Gladiator is going with this, although I'm pretty sure I know what he's thinking...

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Re: Obama or McCain?

I vote for McCain.

Not that I like him or dislike Obama... but if Obama want to recall the troops... Then he must get a kick in the nuts.

You have claimed all this time that you would die for me. Why then are you so surprised to hear your own eulogy?

Re: Obama or McCain?

I vote for McCain.

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Re: Obama or McCain?

Gladiator most of the USA chooses one because they can't stand the other. Only 58% of the adults are Republican or Democrat

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Re: Obama or McCain?

Yell, you just bit into his argument.  Gladiator was trying to use this as an Obama springboard in that Obama is a revolutionary for politics because he makes people vote for him, rather than against someone else, using his charismatic speaking style.

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10 (edited by Gladiator 06-Jun-2008 03:26:31)

Re: Obama or McCain?

KABAM!!

case and point!

checkmate!

do i have to say more?


EDIT: actually i felt i wanted to say more big_smile
i want the thread to keep going but this is the thing, people vote for mccain cuz they don't like obama, like why would you do that? i just find that completely stupid!, it's like saying i'll spend my money on something stupid rather than something stupider, like why not spend it anyways? sorry for the bad example, i jsut saw some change on the table tongue. Anyways obama's voters like me, i'm not voting for him cuz i hate mccain, i do hate him tongue, but that's not why i vote obama, but mccain supporters to, which speaks miles to me atleast, it's hard to explain, but think about it, and you'll get it big_smile

11 (edited by Zarf BeebleBrix 06-Jun-2008 03:35:36)

Re: Obama or McCain?

1: I like McCain, so you're wrong.  I just happened to like McCain based on policies, not speaking style.
2: From a policy perspective, it's zero sum.  If I care about policy X, I like people who agree with me and don't like people who disagree with me on that policy.  So one can vote because they like one person AND because they don't like another person.
3: Policies decide which way a nation goes, not personalities.  At best, charisma is a benefit for diplomacy, but that assumes that the other person is more concerned with someone being a nice person rather than being concerned about policies.

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Re: Obama or McCain?

I'll vote for McCain because I agree with him on about 60% of the issues. That's 55% more than Obama. And really, what is the problem with picking a better of the two even if you don't really like them. You are still picking who you think will be better for the country.

13 (edited by TheYell 06-Jun-2008 03:43:23)

Re: Obama or McCain?

I won't vote for either, but I'm to the right of Rush Limbaugh on that one.

I want a federal government that doesn't take responsibility for everybody's household budget, less regulation and taxes, a stronger military, a coherent foriegn policy, and strict constructionist judges. I see both McCain and Obama against that. Sure Obama is more against it. But the GOP won't discipline all its members to deliver those things, so it finds it easier to keep the porkers and the weasels and the pinkos and declare pork,ambiguity and socialism are the New Coalition.

McCain is the champion of that philosophy. And if he won, the GOP would insist they abandon the pesky, losing conservative agenda forever. So, I won't help him win.

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Beachwood does add in an interesting point.

You vote for Obama because you like him, Gladiator.  What happens when you don't "like" either candidate?  That only leaves two options: Choose the one who you like most, or change your definition of "liking" a candidate.

Now, if the former is chosen, the result is the exact same.  If the latter is chosen, the voter is being disingenuous, and you're essentially telling them to vote against what they believe.

You've made no argument here as to why we should "like" Obama, other than perhaps because other people like Obama, which is a horrible logical fallacy.  That leaves only one possible explanation for this thread: an attack on McCain supporters themselves, rather than an actual political message.  This is nothing more than a cleverly disguised (well, as far as TheYell is concerned) personal attack on us, and should be rejected outright as nothing better than every other flame thread.

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Re: Obama or McCain?

I'll be the first to admit that Obama is likable.  His likability ranks up there.  He's young, energetic, idealistic, optimistic, etc., etc., BUT I just don't agree with his policies.  Pulling out of Iraq as soon as he gets into office?  No.  Promising to change the smear tactics of Washington, but apparently capable of doing his own subtle smear tactics through his own supporters?  No.  Unconditional talks with a nation that supports the destruction of another?  No.  Pushing a veterans bill that would give educational benefits for only two years of service?  No.  Promising to attack the businesses that provide us as cheap a service as possible, despite their high profits?  No.  The list goes on, and on, and on, and on.  Obama is on the opposite side of the spectrum.  In my opinion, he is the opposite of what made America great in the first place.

Re: Obama or McCain?

I think Gladiator could of made a better point.. and that is if you asked a random sample of people to write down who they would vote for and 1 reason why, you would find that the majority of people voting McCain would give a reason that was anti-Obama, whilst the majority of Obama supporters would write pro-Obama reasons.

It is an interesting view to look into, the voting someone because you hate them less... a election of hate, though in a lot of honesty I think that was the 2004 election, and would of been this election if Clinton had got the nod. What this would probably point to, and I am sure there could be other questions included to support the idea, is that a majority of republicians don't like their candidate (despite him being voted in democratically,) but would vote for him because he was preferable to Obama.

However, I would like to point out that I don't really think this view point is valid, though it may be better to look at those who currently support bush (only 30 odd % of americans, and less world wide) and see their answers, and you would probably find a higher % of people stating reasons of hate/dislike of Obama over pro-McCain.


That all said I would probably vote McCain (if I was eligible) though it would be a close thing in my mind. McCain tends to have the better overall process and experiance. And I think this is about experiance. Obama would be the best president the US has had if he waited just a little bit longer, if a Clinton/Obama ticket could of won then I think that would of been the best thing for Obama and he would of been the 1337 h4xz0r prez after... It may of even been ok if Hilary stood down after one term (dream-land I know,) as even 4 years in the VP slot might have been enough.

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Re: Obama or McCain?

i have mixed opinions on both candidates after going over their policies and see that democrats will most likely put us into even more debt over the next two years while McCain will always be Military at heart which concerns me as defense spending is just money out the door so to speak....

but im still in deciding stages...

based on who poorly GOP has run country i feel most people will lean towards Obama

Leap ahead

Re: Obama or McCain?

Interesting race, but the way I see it, I would choose more based on external factors to the candidate than the candidate themselves.

Its funny, just watching the popular media, McCain seems to have the more elderly statesman about him, while Obama says a lot of things in a passionate way, it seems a bit shallow and I would doubt his ability on the international diplomatic arena (despite his years in Asia). I get the feeling that international leaders would feel more comfortable to sit down with McCain than Obama.

However, if Obama chose John Edwards as his VP, that would bring a strong intelligence and diplomatic skills to the leadership team which I think he lacks by himself.

McCain would be a good choice, but only if the Republican Party gets over its habit of choosing shit candidates to fill advisory roles in the cabinet.


I feel sorry for all of you in the US, you seem to have gotten a bad draw at candidates.

Re: Obama or McCain?

Yell said something interesting that I've heard a million times before and I never get over how people don't see the issue.  Yell wants less taxes, who doesn't, AND a stronger military.  Now I've heard this desire on everything from military spending to health care, infrastructure, etc.  I'm going to come out and say it, if you lower taxes and raise spending where does the money come from?  Yell if you don't mind my asking WHY do you want a stronger military, as it is the US spends the most money on their military in the world by leaps and bounds, what more do you want?

Now I generally agree that voting for someone cause you can't stand the other isn't a bad way to vote.  Obviously it's better if you can vote for someone based on their own positive merits not the negative merits of their opponent but sometimes you just don't have that luxury.

For example where I live I have 5 parties represented in my riding.  Now I don't like the policies of either one but I also believe that if you don't vote you can't complain.  So it essentially becomes a process of elimination for me; 2 parties are dropped right away because they will never win, wasted vote, of the 3 remaining 1 is far too left for my tastes as well as incompetent, so they're out, so it comes down to left-center that has screwed up big time in the past and has a history of increasing national debt immensely or right-center that has screwed up big time in the past and has a history of increasing taxes immensely.   I'll be honest the last election we had almost came down to a coin flip.

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Re: Obama or McCain?

DPS,

Where does the extra money come from? From eliminating funding on stupid social programs and an expanded government. By maximizing efficiency and expanding the free market, you have plenty of money to both give back and fund the military. We want a strong military so that we can exercise power in the world stage. If you don't have a powerful military, then you are toast.

Re: Obama or McCain?

Economic growth produces revenue increases regardless of rates, but higher rates produce less economic growth.

If we can't field 150000 troops overseas for six years without straining then we need a bigger boat.

Waaa waaa Michelle Obama can't send the kids to piano lessons and summer camp and tennis and soccer and pay off the student loans. Waaaa.  Govt needs to start picking up the tab waaaa.  Americans earning $100000 a year need subsidized health care and grants for schools and a tax credit for everykid and and and. Waaaa

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Re: Obama or McCain?

I wouldn't go to vote at all because both candidates su...er... don't have my aproval anyway. Tough I'm happy clinton is not a candidate anymore.

Re: Obama or McCain?

Clinton will become Obamas military advisor.

The inmates are running the asylum

Re: Obama or McCain?

gladiator must be stoned or something. he thinks that because he likes Obama all Obama supporters must like him too. But the reason most people will vote for Obama over McCain is either a hate for McCain or a hate for Republicans, especially after Bush has been in office for 8 years.

25 (edited by TheYell 06-Jun-2008 15:03:11)

Re: Obama or McCain?

> Gladiator wrote:

EDIT: actually i felt i wanted to say more big_smile
i want the thread to keep going but this is the thing, people vote for mccain cuz they don't like obama, like why would you do that? i just find that completely stupid!, it's like saying i'll spend my money on something stupid rather than something stupider, like why not spend it anyways? sorry for the bad example,


here is a better example. someone is going to force feed you one of two things. a steaming pile of [political byproduct] or mushrooms. now you dont really like the taste of mushrooms, but you hate that steaming pile of [political byproduct] much worse, so are you gonna vote for the mushrooms or are you going to vote for the steaming pile of [political byproduct]? you could just not vote and let the torturing decide which of the two to use, or you could pick which one is going to be less painful; and McCain is that to many people.