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(6 replies, posted in Politics)

These no excuse for out debt. We haven't hit 15.5 trillion by voting for the right guy for the job half the time. Society has become a bunch of apathetic fools who don't care about their own children and the future of their country.

As I said in another thread, you could probably get elected promising everybody mansions and Cadillacs. There's so unimaginably many people too stupid, ignorant, and apathetic to realize or care that such a promise is physically impossible.

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(14 replies, posted in Politics)

You can kick whoever you want out of your rally.

If you believe that homosexuality is a mental disorder, kissing dudes or whatever are a distraction and you're under no obligation to allow disturbances into your event. (discretion over such security matters surely being granted in the contract to rent the space)

Noir, calling such a belief "perposterous" and "inhumane" isn't engaging in dialogue and convincing anybody that you're right and they're wrong.

For the record, I think Santorum is a corrupt lunatic moron, and I really don't care what you do with your body and who you do it with. But all the homophobiaphobia I see almost daily disturbs me. Screaming that anybody who isn't sure about gay adoption or whatever is a homophobe just makes you seem insecure and unstable.

Edit: I misquoted your misspelling of "preposterous."

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(25 replies, posted in Politics)

lol sad

Nobody is jumping to conclusions. The point is that Obama will disapprove of this development either way, whether it scales up well or not at all.

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(40 replies, posted in Politics)

~Wornstrum~,

I'm glad to hear that you have better healthcare than that of nations with socialized care. I responded hastily (and not seriously) presuming you were one of the endless citizens of nations with socialized care upset that anyone suggested their healthcare system sucked. tongue My apologies.

I don't mean to claim that the US healthcare system is awesome. I strongly believe it's been gutted and, in some respects, made god-awful by Congress's collusion with the healthcare industry and medical providers. We still treat cancer the same way we did 50 years ago. (No, using new chemicals and newer radiation machines does not constitute different treatment) Spreading knowledge of natural prevention and treatments, often more effective, is not encouraged and, in many cases, outlawed. Natural cures don't make anybody with expensive chemicals and machines rich. This lack of rich people results in a lack of a lobby to bribe corrupt politicians. This lack of bribes results in more effective, less profitable methods being outlawed.

I think I've been clear with the vague description above, I think our healthcare system has serious flaws. Serious flaws as a result of government involvement. A government monopoly on covered procedures and treatments in a government plan results in even more of what I just described above--which is already killing people.

Your link no longer takes me any place, so I can't comment specifically on it. I know that the US is ranked low on MANY lists because these lists are rankings of "availability." Cuba and North Korea rank high on these lists because they have 100% coverage! So I don't give them any credence and tend to trash talk anyone who references them. Now I'm not accusing you of that--I don't even know what you linked!--I'm just pointing out that every list that ranks the USA 20-something invariably is a rating of "availability" and means nothing.

Furthermore, these availability ratings invariably ignore the US's state-programs, which account for virtually all (to my knowledge?) of the US's low-income healthcare assistance. These programs include massive amounts of federal funding, but are conveniently ignored by all of these rankings simply to dishonestly drop the US's ranking by pretending that the majority of low-income healthcare assistance in the country exists.

I'm glad you received better care than the middle-Chinese income is afforded. This is a fine example of my point, though it would appear it's a misdirected point when made to you. tongue




Zarf BeebleBrix,

My point is more that I'm tired of disputing simple facts with small children who ignore the fundamentals I've discussed at length and repeatedly respond with "nuh uh!" because the facts and mechanics I've discussed are over their heads.

References to my healthcare are mockery of those repeating government propaganda that their socialized care is top-notch and rivals mine (or that of anyone with a job and priorities in a free market). My personal mocking references are irrelevant to the discussion, just like their "nuh uh!" statements of disagreement. I have explained at length (and in many threads previously, if 10 years ago) the mechanics by which my claims are realized and given examples of nations using those mechanics to achieve the results I've predicted.

"Translation: As of your post above, there's no reason anyone should say "hey, v. kemp's right" unless they're basing it on an argument you have not made."

This is true. I'm under no illusion that my last post was any sort of comprehensive rebuttal of anyone's objections to my claims. But insofar as objections have come in the form of "nuh uh!" or "my government says otherwise to keep me pacified!" or "this dishonest and worthless ranking disputes your claim!", there's not much to discuss or dispute.




It's called the "Affordable Care Act," yet it has 0 mechanics to decrease costs and [nearly] countless additional taxes, fees, and regulations which will certainly increase costs. 'nuff' said.

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(25 replies, posted in Politics)

Sorry, I'm too busy celebrating to make up my own.

Why?

I'M ALIVE!!

Yup. And this is another example of freedom being inherently good and giving it up to Big Brother being inherently bad.

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(2 replies, posted in Politics)

I love the discrimination claim.

The obvious argument for IDs is to protect the integrity of our voting system, which is, literally, paramount to our system of government.

This is hard to dispute. Integrity is good. Identification is common-sense. So, clearly, objections must be measured on the evidence backing their claims. What concerns override this measure to improve integrity? What evidence backs these concerns?

The argument against IDs is that this discriminates against minorities. Asked for the mechanic by which requiring IDs discriminates against minorities, I've watched literally dozens of talking heads make stupid faces and talk about red herrings.

What really offends me about the racist claim is that those objecting to ID laws are implying that minorities are too stupid to show up, verify their identity, and pick up a free ID once _every few years_. The vast majority of minorities (like everybody else) already have IDs. You can't drive or buy alcohol or do plenty of other things without one. Requiring IDs from everyone does not discriminate against minorities. To claim that it does discriminates against minorities and is racist.

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(67 replies, posted in Politics)

This is so dumb anyone who wants to "debate" it deserves to be smacked with a wet salmon. Maybe even a frozen one if they insist.

There's no constitutional basis for this power grab. The vague passages referred to for justification, taken to the extremes used to rationalize this law, could justify literally anything. Needless to say, the US Constitution exists to limit government power. It does not expressly permit the government unlimited power to do anything it deems necessary or proper.

I'm a little disappointed that I have so many trashy, valueless, downright stupid countrymen that this was ever considered, let alone passed into law. There's literally no limit to the freedom that tens of millions of Americans are willing to give up for government promises of "free" stuff. If lawmakers promised everyone mansions and Cadillacs, I'd wager half the country would vote for them, too stupid to understand that there just aren't enough mansions and Cadillacs for that to be remotely physically possible.

As a wiser man than you (and me!) once said:
"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither." (Benjamin Franklin)

It will provide energy for less than 10x the current cost like the projects he favors. This will benefit the "folks" in the "middle class."

Yeah he'll hate it.

I'm a big fan of the enforcement of laws.

I don't care what anyone thinks about abortion. I really don't care if you want to kill your kids. But there's no excuse for looking the other way when corrupt organizations aren't prosecuted because of what side they're on in a political dispute.

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(1 replies, posted in Politics)

They only subsidize them to sell to our dumb asses because our government provides tax subsidies for consumers here for installing inefficient solar garbage. Our consumer subsidies are the only reason they bother.

The whole thing is as ridiculous and insane as ethanol subsidies to anybody who knows what's going on. Anyone with an understanding deeper than "ooo solar! Nice to earth! Good!" knows this is wasteful garbage. Or, more ridiculous, because we didn't battle any other nations over who could sucker American consumers more with ethanol.

Hahahahha OMG what a moron.

I can't believe you [people] voted him into the VP slot. So embarrassing.

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(27 replies, posted in Politics)

Arby3:
"Turns out I married a whore in sheeps clothing."

You thought you married a sheep? That's a whole other set of dysfunction.

~Wornstrum~:

I've been making fun of an Aussie friend for years, calling him a sheep [herder]. (he happened to be born in NZ) Are you saying I randomly hit a nerve with a kiwi stereotype?! I just picked something really nasty and obscene at random. I had no idea.

To everyone else:

What are you on? You're writing as if removing government from marriage 100% or replacing it with some private institutions (or not) would have more than a tiny impact on human behavior.

People already do whatever they want now. They have same-sex partners. They have sex [and children] with multiple partners. The current government institution isn't having any significant impact on human behavior.

Sure, I wouldn't mind government being out of it so I could unofficially marry both my wives (and hopefully a third some day), but let's be honest: I'm already living with, supporting, and having kids with both of them already.

Speaking as if government is somehow restricting behavior right now is downright silly. Sure, it'd be convenient and just to change a few things, but let's not act like it'd radically alter the gender balance or gene mixing. There are already male and female whores. No government action is going to significantly increase/decrease their numbers.

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(4 replies, posted in Politics)

What does a company embezzling money have to do with the stock market being "rigged"?

"With all this bad news... we should be plummeting like a rock."

Not true. In times of uncertainty, when the dollar is less certain than physical assets and brick-and-mortar corporations, stocks are sometimes/often safer than alternatives like dollars or bonds.

Apple is still going to develop cool new stuff, whether 10x more or 1/10 the people are buying it. People are still going to trade goods and services to meet their needs. Granted, people can panic and markets can crash--but my point is that so can currencies and governments.

That the market can crash doesn't necessarily make it any less safe than other places. Some limited troubles result in market _gains_, as people seek to secure wealth with stocks rather than dollars or other investments they've deemed more risky for the time.

You might want to learn some market basics before running for office. You're kinda scaring me with this post. Like a lot. tongue

Also, if anyone has forced you to invest in any market and you suspect there's foul play involved (which is how it sounds, from your accusations): There is. Call the cops. You shouldn't be investing in anything you're not knowledgeable enough to invest in comfortably and relatively securely.

If you don't understand markets and have anyone you can really trust (company or individual) to invest your wealth, put it in your mattress and stop voting for people who've trashed our dollar for decades. It's not thievery when you lose money because of your own bad decisions.

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(64 replies, posted in Politics)

Noir, I'm saying that, if you believe that the US "has its hands in worse matters than abortion," you should probably state what they are. Pretending that Americans eat live orphan children and carpet bomb Chinese residential neighborhoods is just stupid and detracts from whatever point you may have. I'm essentially saying, if you're going to post dishonestly, I'm just going to mock you for being stupid. I can't respond to dishonest, completely bullshit posts genuinely; that'd be pointless and stupid.

I don't mean "you" literally: I'm referring to everyone who posted as if waterboarding is bone-splitting, mutilating, flesh-searing, nail-ripping, deadly torture. To pretend they're equal in any capacity is just stupid and dishonest on its face.

Debating the morality of waterboarding is perfectly legitimate; I'm not calling anyone stupid for that. But to pretend you can find no differenec between it and the "other" "tortures" I mentioned above is just ridiculously silly.

Dpenguins, insofar as Rush was commenting on how much activity she'd have to have for her birth control to cost that amount, the slut comment was pertinent to the topic and relevant to his point. He's an entertainer not any official's political advisor or spokesman--While I would have stuck to the content and why she's ridiculous and wrong, he's an entertainer and he's going to say whatever he feels like and whatever his audience keeps listening to.

It seems like a really non-story, considering he's not a public official or a public official's staff. I don't listen to him or care what he says any more than when Bill Mahr or any other idiot in the media says something really, really offensive. It happens all the time. Why is this such a big news story? Seems like some want to talk about a random entertainer being rude over a woman being stupid a lot more than its newsworthiness merits.

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(4 replies, posted in Politics)

It's like a grand preview of America: 2020!

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(40 replies, posted in Politics)

That's the beautiful thing about the free market, ~Wornstrum~. I don't have to know where you're from to know that my superior freedoms and wealth provide for me things which your presumably socialist government healthcare does not provide for you.

How do I know this? Because your socialist government healthcare is bought with money. Inefficiently, because you have decisions made for you. You don't have the best doctors. They come here because we pay them much, much better. You don't have the best technology; your government can't afford it. We have it here because I'm willing to pay for it.

umad?

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(9 replies, posted in Politics)

Firewing, what the hell are you talking about?

Nobody is going to make any money off of renewables until they're cheap enough to compete with petro. When such technology is developed, everyone will copy the best available. Spending 500 billion on government funded research isn't going to result in "huge profits" for anyone.

Developing nations are using coal and oil for everything they can. The only "investments" China and other third world nations are making into renewables are to develop inefficient products they can dupe us into purchasing. They aren't making them for themselves.

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(4 replies, posted in Politics)

State-controlled, local-approved charter schools are hardly free market competition. By having quasi free-market entities and very limited options, we're only tainting the pool of study with garbage not indicative of what the free market actually produces when evaluated honestly.

Giving parents choice results in competition--results in better prices for better educated children. This is good. Period. The only people against this are unions with a vested interest in bilking the taxpayer for all they can--competition threatens their low standards, short hours, short year, and (in _some_ places--it's all local) bloated salaries/pensions.

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(4 replies, posted in Politics)

Finally, something we can learn from the Middle East. Obviously Emo weirdos should be eradicated.

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(9 replies, posted in Politics)

Key, consider learning ANYthing about what you're talking about before posting. It will avoid foot-in-mouth syndrome. Seeing as you have no idea how people who buy in huge bulk buy, you probably shouldn't share your ignorance with us. We don't care what you're pretending and what you figure based upon pretend Key land.

I love how Obama is talking about reducing energy prices by funding renewable energy research with government money [debt]. It's a insult and joke, which apparently most of the American people deserve to be the butt of. Nobody who isn't on hallucinogens thinks renewables will be competitive within anything short of decades. Wasting inefficient government funding on research which the market will undoubtedly do better at is irresponsible, reprehensible, and immoral.

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(22 replies, posted in Politics)

Whoever gets elected is going to be corrupt. Most of our contrymen are sheep and will vote for whatever corrupt bureaucrat their party puts in front of them.

We didn't reach 15 trillion in debt by making good decisions half of the time.

It's really disgusting that supposed civil rights activists turn a blind eye to racist hatred when it's not politically advantageous to them and their power-hungry bureaucrat allies.

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(64 replies, posted in Politics)

Talking about a tiny handful of cases of waterboarding, where the subject was informed that he would not be killed or permanently harmed, as if it was bone splitting, burning, nail ripping, body-stretching, deadly torture is stupid. If you have a point, state it clearly. Saying HEY I NEED TO PRETEND IT'S DIFFERENT THAN IT IS doesn't show us that you're confident in your position.