thx theo for the edit and sorry mods for the practical joke but I couldn't resist.
@WFS:
"Indeed, the treaty of lisbon doesn't actually change a lot for the people, only it only changes the organisation of EU."
The EU decides the biggest part of the laws for those people. So in that light alone I think its very important.

"It was a silly thing to let the people decide about it when 99% doesn't even know what it's about. They're right to pass it anyway though (if they're really doing that, as you say).."
I don't know,but Barosso said so, France, Germany so I presume and hope it will get trough.

The treaty is rather important in that way it makes the EU more democratic and more easy to understand. It gives more power to the parliament, the most democratic organ of the EU.

@east
"I'm not saying the general population shouldn't have a vote of course, but voting through democratically elected representatives are much more sensible"
unfortunately yes. Unfortunately because its also more corrupt but we have no alternative.

me to

You can leave some clue if you do that (but to his defence, I thought the same as you there imediately).

But this forum shouldn't be personal. And its an intresting toppic. Castro is(let us say was )head of a totalitarian regime. Nobody doubts the power lays in the hands of a few. Maybe I should start a toppic about this issue. Tomorow I got a day of so maybe I'll try to start a debate that leads us somewhere.

Guy, even if you would start threads like "lp is the smartest poster of IC politics forum" I wouldn't want you to post more of them. Have you looked up DOS-attack on wiki or what?

@supall:
don't look at me, after the 5th I already started to ask mods to close further Obama or McCain threads. As you you can see that was  a while back.

yeah the link isn't very clear to me either.

Also I'm aware it all has nothing to do with obama or McCain. I posted it in politics anyhow.

"hooray, glad he was forced to withdraw it."
It is an important signal. And also a very important issue. Why the irony?

"People think we're crazy to embargo Cuba but that's what they do down there, you keep tabs on your neighbor's politics for Comrade Castro"
-Catholics on this forum forgive me the expression- but wasn't castro in pope-like state?

well indeed, my p*n*s warms up from all those happy thoughts

the theory goes that global warming would increase cloudforming and rain, snow etc. What you say flint actually prooves their theory.

Its like all those people who complain about the heat because of GW. Global warming mesured local in one or 2 years is absolute nonsence. You have to measure 10-20 years GLOBAL and then -maybe- you can draw conclusions. Please

@noir
You have to replace one obama.

@toppic:
You need a second "republican" party if the other screws up. Same for the dems party. The competition will do much good I think.