"Either the Universe came from nothing..."

Were does this idiotic assumtion come from, apart from a lack of research combined with intentional stupidity?

"I suggest you go dig up some information and give me a proper response or don't argue say anything at all. All your doing is hearsay and a bunch of garble that has no backing, it's just white noise."

Funny how after that idiotic crap that makes up the first sentence of your post it all can be applied to you. Why dont YOU dig up some information and give a proper response or not say anything at all? All YOU are doing is hearsay and garble, supertitious ramblings that have no backing in anything other than prejudice, bigotry and paranoia. Because of your lack of research/intentional stupidity/willful propagation of a lie/whatever your post is nothing more than white noise.

Krg lay dying upon the desk, the intricate combination of the biologies of the countless races that had long ago fathered their race was no match for the sheer brute force of being driven by a blastwave into a grille of reinforced steel. Frgr and one other were crouched upon the floor, leaning back against the desk, as two more kept watch out of the windows of the central tower of the rusting refinery.
Frgr inhaled deeply and stood, grunting sharply as the movement ground the shattered halves of his transverse ribs together. He turned to the unconscious Krg who seemed to be growing paler by the second. It felt quite odd to see him with his purple eyes closed, to see him without his fanged grin. He turned back to the one still crouching on the floor, "We should be in there, we would be finished by now."
"We'd be walking targets, you know that."
"I know, but to just sit here!"
"Don't worry, you'll see plenty of action on the way out."
"But I'll only see it, I'll be on the Terranova with the engines on full burn all the way to Blacken."
"But it'll be a view you'll remember forever."
Frgr nodded, then crouched by the desk again, "I never knew orbital defences could be pointed inwards".

Ooh, burn.

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White picked himself up from the stinking waste room floor, shaking his head in disgust. A creaking sound, metal scraping against metal, brought him back to reality. He whirled around and began hammering at the door's edge, trying to bend it enough to get his fingers through. Something exploded and the floor shook, turning the creaking into a terrible groan. White braced himself against the back wall and kicked out with both feet, pounding the door off of its rail with a boom.
There was a screech as he tugged the door open and stumbled out into the ruined ship, a warm breeze blowing through the far end of the passenger compartment. Beyond was open air and forested hills, scarred by the gouged earth that marked their crash, and the ruined engineering section some five hundred meters away which was belching thick smoke swarming with glowing radioactive particles; the engine was ready to blow, taking the ship with it.
He roared an alarm and those that were able quickly staggered to their feet. One had lost their mask but seemed to be able to breathe quite comfortably. That's good, he thought, plenty of Methane. One of the others took him from his thoughts, "We need to take what we can and run."
White turned and quickly checked the cockpit, which was splattered with glowing life; all of the elders were dead, unrecognisably smashed, "Nothing here", he turned and was tossed a spear, "Let's go!"

"I just can't understand why no one can accept that. Jesus' message to humanity remains the same without the whole hocus pocus...."

This is the only question that is important to me right now.

Their english is correct: It is still unconfirmed wether or not that video is even real, hence what appears to be an odd placement of the word allegedly.

This is the "other" incident I was thinking of:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-2_Crisis_of_1960

I love how Krushchev let Eisenhower dig himself into a nice deep hole.

The Wardancers wanted to do in a lab what had happened in real life (by accident) to them, but better.
I think that once created the Wardancers tried to exterminate them utterly says something about how successful the experiment was; too much so.
But this was so long ago that it is almost mere legend to both races, so the truth of the matter is still open to debate.

why not both?

> SkyWarp wrote:

> Kind of odd... ships as mothers of a race? But then again, the Cy'tan are very odd...

Maybe it's a figure of speech; because the ships have AI advanced enough to have a personality they feel protective of their crew?

How is the discussion anti-religious?