526

(30 replies, posted in Politics)

Okay, correction on my part: It wasn't Brennam who admitted drone strikes were unconstitutional.  It was Holder (the Justice Department guy... you know, the lawyers everyone cites here).

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ted-cruz-goa … itutional/

Yes, the answer came after 5 minutes of pulling teeth.  I'm not saying the answer was easy.  But there's actually an answer, sworn on the record, from the guy running the department who gives the legal advice to the Obama Administration.


Remember, Holder and everyone else in the debate is making a distinction here between imminent threats (the guy aiming a bazooka at the White House) and people sitting in coffee shops.  The link you cited, Kemp, clearly states that Holder believes in the imminent threat scenario, drone strikes would be legitimate.  Nobody's challenging that.  On the other extreme, there's clearly a quote (albeit after some teeth-pulling) that has the Justice Department under oath stating a legal opinion on the subject.  (Yes, they're under oath when they testify before Congress).


So no, I don't think this is a question of the Obama Administration wanting the right to bomb shoplifters at grocery stores.  Rather, I would say it's simply a matter of administrative inertia.  Making a judgment call on the constitutionality of anything is an enormous responsibility, one way or another.  Make too broad a Constitutionality judgment too soon, and you could create a seriously screwed up precedent in the future.

Does this mean I disagree with Paul?  Absolutely not.  The filibuster was a good method to shake things up and try to goad the Administration to engage in the debate.  That's what a filibuster is: a way for a minority to shake things up and get some awareness of an issue out there.  But agreeing with Paul doesn't mean you have to assume that the problem was a government trying to get the right to bomb Starbucks... particularly when Paul doesn't even take that stance (though he certainly could have if he thought it was an honest evaluation of the situation).

527

(30 replies, posted in Politics)

Link, Kemp?  Because I watched about 60% of the filibuster, and Rand Paul didn't even suggest that the Obama Administration was actively claiming said legal authority.  In fact, Senator Paul even stated that, eventually, they got the CIA Director nominee to concede that it was unconstitutional... but only after enough crap that he wanted an outright statement of policy from the government.

528

(1 replies, posted in General)

Due to the lack of content as a result of the swearing issue... closed!

529

(29 replies, posted in History)

Wait... you mean the IC hacking INCREASED total IC membership?

530

(58 replies, posted in Politics)

50

Best... mafia... ever!

532

(792 replies, posted in Universal News)

*puts an arrow in banksy's knee*

533

(378 replies, posted in General)

Finally, this starts back up.

HydroP.

534

(378 replies, posted in General)

There's some ideas in chat, but those don't seem to be happening today.  So going with the lesser of two evils vote.  But yeah, I don't really like this vote.

You_fool

535

(378 replies, posted in General)

I'll switch my vote to WC.  Nolio's experiment sounds well thought-out.  Let's hope we get some good answers here.

536

(378 replies, posted in General)

This vote is incredibly easy.  TBO deliberately tried to get both WC and Flint lynched simultaneously, with no justification whatsoever as to why that would be a good move for the town.  So yeah, voting TBO.

537

(378 replies, posted in General)

Eat it!  X(

538

(378 replies, posted in General)

I'll switch back if someone fixes!

539

(378 replies, posted in General)

Stop that, TBO!  X(

540

(378 replies, posted in General)

Voting Flint.  I'm only doing this as a fail-safe against a possible effort by a mobbie to tie at the last second.  If this worked... suck it, mobbie!  big_smile

541

(378 replies, posted in General)

Voting WC, based on chat discussion.

542

(378 replies, posted in General)

Voting Gywnedd.  Since random votes are apparently a thing here, and since nobody seems to have the slightest idea of anything, this is a punisher "why would you off a townie night 1 last round" vote.  tongue

543

(378 replies, posted in General)

Edit: Adding the stipulation that, of course, I can ditch that standard if there's solid justification for someone actually being mobbie.  tongue

544

(378 replies, posted in General)

Putting this right out there: My vote is going to the first person I see use that shitty logical train of "X voted for me and I know I'm townie, so that means X is mob" logic.  Not that I think the person I'm voting for is necessarily mob... consider this my quiet little effort to root out incredibly stupid logic when we're discussing votes, so as to prevent dumb bandwagons.  tongue

545

(41 replies, posted in General)

*volunteers his slot to You_Fool* big_smile

546

(378 replies, posted in General)

Voting Flint!  big_smile

547

(41 replies, posted in General)

Remo can have my place!  big_smile

548

(49 replies, posted in Politics)

Are you two seriously arguing about who could beat up who in a fight?  Wow, all we need is to start picking teams for kickball and we can officially declare that the Politics forum has degraded to elementary school recess.  tongue

549

(15 replies, posted in Ideas)

Yes!  I always wanted a place where I could complain about those lazy forum mods!  big_smile

550

(41 replies, posted in General)

What?  Lying's easy!  All you've gotta do is...


Oh, wait, the round's about to start soon, right?  Forget I said anything!  Yes, lying's hard!  What KT said!  big_smile