We should never have left the gold standard.

>>you come here and post things like "inflated prices and ineffective systems without giving any proov... wehn it comes to giving some sources or proove you fail blatantlly.<<

You want me to cite a source that my taxes plus healthcare costs are less than 38% of my income? Do you want my tax returns? What a joke.

>>I read your moral problems with my ideology.. I said many times it depends on the point of view.<<

Like I said, I know an explanation is beyond your capacity to give. It's not like this is a discussion forum or anything. No one expects you to be capable of a discussion here.

>>Yes you point that out but you forget that if i would not be a part of the public healthcare and such i would yes get more net income.. but would have to pay a almost similar ammount into private insurances.<<

Almost similar amount, yes. That is, a dissimilar amount. And you would have choices. I'm glad we agree that I'm right and you're getting inferior services at inflated prices whether you want to pay for them or not. I should also note that your healthcare system itself suffers from this inefficiency. You don't have all of the latest technology under government care. How would you pay for it? You can't.

>>but no your deny it. because you are lazy or scared you will come to a conclusion you maybe wont like.
We can go on arguing if you go and get me the numbers so we can compare who pays what and what is more efficient.
but as long as you keep saying "inefficient inflated" without any proove. there is no need to go on talking about it.<<

You're making the claim that government run healthcare is more efficient than the free market. You go get us the numbers, dumbass. If your claim was true it would be the first time in the history of mankind. You're so educated and brilliant but you want me to get numbers for something that's never failed to be true, as opposed to your position, which has never been true.

>>explain this to me then please.. this was what i was refering to when i talked about the lil % missusing the system. the quote above appears to be quiet obvious about that topic.<<

What are you talking about? You don't have a point. You have no numbers for the "tiny" percentage of people misusing it. And the number of people abusing a system is irrelevant; you're content with an abusable system because you claim that not many people abuse it? That doesn't make any sense. I merely pointed out that even in Amerika with its lower tax rates than yours we already have free care available to much of the population. I asked some common sense questions asking for the merits behind paying unlimited dollars for anyone, regardless of any other considerations. That's what socialized medicine is. I also probed your knowledge of Amerikan healthcare at present which you must know about to be comparing to yours. You admittedly don't.

>>You forget that i need no ability to buy me private healthcare and other services because they allready are payed by my taxes.<<

It's nice that you are content with whatever they give you. The point is that this system robs of you any choice unless you are rich. Your system takes away choice from everyone who is not rich. It's a system that favors the rich and hurts the poor.

>>funny to see that most threads u debate in end up in people blaming you for being an arrogant ignorant person.<<

You keep talking about facts, but you don't hesitate to make this claim without any numbers. Which leads to my next point: Who cares? The majority of this forum is teens who haven't finished highschool. We have idiots like Decimus and ADD kids like the one wanting to discuss how magical robots will perform all labor for mankind within 25 years and how the government is morally obligated to produce these robots. Arrogance coupled with willful ignorance is rampant in idiot teens the world over today. Of course all of you morons who ignore the content of my posts are going to cry. I ask on-point questions directly assaulting your presumed "facts" that you make up and don't even know you're doing it. You claim that government-run healthcare is more efficient than private care, offering more services for less cost. But I know damn well you can't find a single nation on earth where this has ever been true. Everyone who's old enough to pay for their own healthcare (if they have that option) knows this, especially those who have had well over $1,000,000 of medical services in their lives. But You're asking Me for numbers to prove this. Why would I bother? I have better things to do than find numbers you wouldn't read or understand anyway. I doubt you do. A fact is that I've shown plenty of the research facts you ask for here in many threads when I happened to have them on hand. A fact is that arrogant, willfully-ignorant, self-righteous teens don't access the information in front of them. If it makes you feel better to know that your nanny government runs your life, then you're going to claim that it's efficient, moral, and gives you more choices than governments which let you live freely without taking all of your money to pay for other incompetent morons. I can respect someone who prefers a more nanny-like state. I've even dated a socialist and had a great time doing it. But she was educated. She could have a discussion. We knew where we stood. We didn't make up "facts" then demand that the other prove something which is common knowledge when we made ridicuous claims. That'd just be a stupid waste of time. Like this is.

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>>I get a lot of that back, to be fair.<<

Expect this fact to be glossed over. It'd be inconvenient to address the truth.

FYI, foreigners: NYC is awful. I lived 14 miles west of it for about 4.5 years. No wonder BW has achieved such a high tax rate.

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>>yeah, your morals must be different because you were raised by crooks surrounded by crooks.<<

I just love that he doesn't even offer an explanation or justification for his desire for a nanny-state in the face of all common wisdom (and by wisdom, I mean knowledge supported by every statistic ever compiled. Want facts? Look at my income and standard of living compared to yours. Look at my potential for upward mobility compared to yours. Don't know how to compare these things? Go to school.). He just says that he'd prefer that the people in power in his country handle more of his life and mine too. He doesn't bother to explain why he has the right to mismanage my affairs and waste my money doing it. He claims that's impossible. So intelligent.

I claimed that there isn't any possibility of any better way? I've stated very clearly many times the multitude of areas in which we could use improvement. I've suggested ways in which current proposed "solutions" fail which need to be remedied in any real solution. I've pointed out clearly the times where I agree with you that problems exist and stated clearly why I disagree with your favored solutions.

How do you respond to this content?

You keep talking about magical robots. I bet you'll save the world with them.

You keep calling me uncreative. Because if there's a problem with helping people, it's doing it in a real and not "imaginative" way.

Why don't you respond to content and worry less about your nonsensical analysis of my character? It's obvious you're not out of high school. Content and results matter, not hollow rhetoric and lies.

No.

Pithy comments like that are adorable. You retain all of the arrogance without ever engaging the content. Why don't you try telling me where you disagree; why I'm wrong? I obviously don't have any trouble telling you specifically what's ridiculous in your posts. What's the matter? You're SO witty but you can't respond to simple questions?

I wouldn't hesitate to take on the argument that abortion is bad economic policy. Any functional society capable of raising productive adults will only lose economic activity and production by never making investments that result in gain. But that's DEFinitely not the primary argument against abortion. I'd doubt whether a single person on this forum or anywhere is anti-abortion on economic grounds. Sure, it makes sense to argue that abortion is not wrong and not harmful to the economy when someone claims that it is wrong and harms the economy. I was just saying that responding to someone who says "it's wrong" with "it saves money" isn't any sort of discourse. It's flinging reasons back and forth because they sound like reasons.

You treat friends, people who are not mates or potential mates, differently based upon their sex appeal? Isn't that like the definition of "asshole"?

I'm so tired of these phonies who only like me 'cause I'm hot. I waste so much of my life figuring out who's for real and who's for sale.

? There was never any debate here.

For instance:
>>Because people like you on your side of the line keep perpetuating and profiteering from the misery of others<<
Complete nonsense. I create wealth at work. I volunteer my time and skills beyond my friends and family. He just makes things up because he has nothing honest to say.

>>since you are entirely against even contemplating possible solutions to our GLOBAL society's troubles, how do you live with yourself knowing that most of the human race despise you?<<
I create wealth and volunteer to help people I can. You post nonsense that will never happen to any extent on a forum. Which one of us is helping to alleviate people's troubles? It's the educated working one who actually does help others and is educated enough to be able to point out corruption and bullshit in a civil discourse, not the arrogant and ignorant child who never engages the simplest thought in the most basic discourse.

I despise the humans of our race who are corrupt and abuse power to exploit for their own gain. And I despise the humans of our race who are ignorant and clueless yet arrogant enough to run their mouths anyway. They don't actually help anyone; their motivation is purely virtual masturbation--they like to be self-righteous and feel morally superior to others while being, in fact, the apathetic idiots who continually support what they claim to fight more than anyone else.

It does nothing to negate the argument against abortion. It's irrelevant. No one is arguing against the claim that abortion is good economic policy.

>>"there is nothing that indicates that a fetus that would normally be aborted would be a drain on society if not aborted."
- A child left on the steps of a Fire station and raised in foster care for 18 years is indeed a drain on society.<<

Whether or not a person will be a "drain on society" has nothing to do with the argument against abortion. As I said, I'm not an anti-abortion advocate, but you aren't doing anyone a favor by using fallacies and irrelevant arguments against the position you oppose. If their argument is wrong pick it apart and show where you disagree (not very hard with this issue), don't point out useless nonsense.

>>"banning abortion doesnt do that. you're talking about 1-2 months where the mom would have to take time of working towards furthering her career to have the baby."
- 1-2 months? Have you ever known a working woman on maternity leave? If the mother intends on breast feeding (as they should) she is not able to work for at least 1 month leading up to the birth, and several months afterward.<<

Again, says nothing of the argument against your position. A pregnant mother's bad decisions resulting in whatever inconvenience to her are irrelevant to the argument against your position.

Get an education.

Make consumers want such vehicles? Government needs to learn its place. People need to learn to put it there. I'll pay for whatever car I want and the "energy" to drive it as much as I want. More government involvement, be it legislating what I should want to drive or bailing out idiots who are too poor at their jobs to run their companies just costs us all money. There is no reason I should be paying for anyone's mistakes. It's just hurting us all to cator to special interests while they convince you that they're doing it for you.

There's no reason we should discuss government "making consumers want" something. Buy what you want. I'll buy what I want. As long as you don't steal from me to legislate all kinds of garbage under false pretenses everyone has more, we waste less, and the free market lets auto makers who provide better cars (and the ones people want) at better prices flourish and companies run by idiots who make sub-par cars at ridiculous prices fail. Wasting our tax money to keep them afloat to waste more money in business (they've already wasted a lot to turn such huge profits this century into losses) just takes away from all of us. It's just bad business. All of this rightous garbage is just justification for continued failure and theft.

It's not as complicated as a lot of people like to pretend. I like my '73 cuda. I intend to buy a new Harley Iron 883 later this year. Why would my government be using my tax dollars to tell me what kind of car I should want? I waited until I had the money to buy my new Harley (awesomely cheap price! free market at work again!) and the government will only make the things I want more costly the more it gets involved. And that's true of anyone. Aren't you tired of idiots stealing from your standard of living? I was getting taxed 17% washing dishes a decade ago making barely over minimum wage. Obviously that % has only climbed to an even more outrageous portion of my earnings since. Should we waste X amount to bail out this company and waste X amount legislating to 'save' people money? Maybe I'd even have a lovely boat already if all this waste in the name of 'for our own good' wasn't already happening and getting worse. I wouldn't mind a boat!