Zarf you are misjudging the debt.

The point is not the debt itself, the point is the budget deficit. America is spending more than its earning, thus every year consumers are indirectly spending more then they are paying for. This is an unbalance in the economy that eventually will have to be reversed. So american consumption is made unnaturally high, by giving out loans to the public (throu budget deficit) the average american jsut isnt aware that they are living off borrowed money. So to sum up, at the moment americans are reciving more money from the governemnt than they are paying in taxes, and at some point in the future they will have to repay that debt.

its a 40 year frame ofcourse viable to dysfuntion etc, but it does again give pointers

still the economy the last coupple of years hasnt been great. Major deficits, financial crisis, and now huuuge bailouts..

Arganon.. you yourself declared war on and raped 1138.

If you choose to fight 1141 thats no vulturing on their part lol..

1135 is 1141 allies, involve your own then, defend yourselves..

"Yet another major fam that need t' wage war against a fam half its size."

Are you blind? They ahve 960 planets you have 800, of the hell is that half the size?

So get fighting insetad of whining..

Flint, how many trillion pieces of eight did Geroge Bush increase spendin with o'er his 8 year in office..  way more than obama will..

this is again just sput an' spam from th' most mentally challenfe forumposter on th' web

Lol see big lad flint actin' like a baby lol..

Why would anyone apologize t' ye, youve no nay ne'er apologize fer all th' horrible lies an' untruths youve spouted throu th' years...
Shiver me timbers!  Ye'll be sleepin' with the fishes!

Thoose religious nutcases really amuse me.

I waonder what would happen if you could apply that sort of religious logic in other aspects of society:

Picture yourself a trial against a murderer:

Judge: Do you pledge guilty or innocent

Accused: Innocent your Honor

Judge: Are you sure? We have 10 eyewitnesses, a videorecording, your prints on the gun, and it all ties you to the murder

Accused: Well, you see your Honor, the Lord allmighty killed the man.

Judge: All the witnesses are saying they saw you shoot the victim in cold blood.

Accused: Well your honor, you gotta understand, that is just how the Lord made it look, he works in mysterious ways.

In a court of law, this person would be deemed as a liar or a nutcase, why is it that we allow this sort of reasoning in this debate?

Red_rooster you are wrong again (as usual) cause its not something darwin pulled out of his ass.

The joining of molecules has nothing to do with evolution and does not belong in this thread, so stop bringing it up.
Darwing presented a theory or a hypothesis, wich has been supported by more research done later. He didnt make it up in his imagination like the authors of the ancient scriptures, he observed species at the galapagos islands, and investigated etc, he searched for knowledge!

You should read up on the Norwegian Petroleum Fund BW Its quite an amazing story

"@ Noir
At least that is understandable......except for the point of Elasticity. 
Oil is basically inelastic.  Not to say there is NO impact on Demand as price changes, but there is very little."

BW im sure you knopw this so im not gonna hold it over your head

As you read from my post, elsticity is such that Oilproducers earn more with a higher price, and like you state, that is because demand for oil i pretty INELASTIC. So we agree , consumption is reduced, but by less % than the prices (elasticity below 1) Thus the producers get a bigger revenue. And that is why I as a non car owning student, from a country that has oil as its biggest export is very happy about high oilprices. It gives Norway bigger income, and also reduces worldwide pollution.

And as im sure you understand, Russia and Opec working together can only drive oilprice upwards

Note: Nice to finally discuss something with someone slighlty intellegent