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Topic: Obama's economic plan will increase the deficit significantly

Unfortunately, the Obama plan will widen the projected deficit. According to the Tax Policy Center (TPC), Obama's tax plan

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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lets get off th' debt now, Get out of me rum!  id give anythin' t' get rid o' bush!!, to be sure!  an' as fer spendin' we were doin' fine with bill clinton, then bush got in an' started t' increase our debt.  america will always have debt an' no nay ne'er be able t' balence its budget, Get out of me rum!  so lets give th' student loans t' minnows an' so on.., Ya swabbie!  just t' let ye know most o' debt that is blamed on by th' deficit is in other countrys in th' form o' "international aid" ye get all that "aid" back an' we'd break even.  but our country were bein' founded on a deficit an' debt an' ironicaly enough that is one o' th' major areas that makes us strong.  too bad arnold wont run or tupac!!!!  The sharks will eat well tonight! ysll know hes still alive.

3 (edited by Theodora 19-Sep-2008 08:04:50)

Re: Obama's economic plan will increase the deficit significantly

Unfortunately, the Obama plan will widen the projected deficit. According to the Tax Policy Center (TPC), Obama's tax plan

To serve is to survive

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now post a similar article about McCain please.  I really do dislike these one dimensional political threads =/

Sex without the e is still SX!

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oh nevermind, I found a great one smile

Sex without the e is still SX!

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Flint, how many trillion pieces of eight did Geroge Bush increase spendin with o'er his 8 year in office..  way more than obama will..


this is again just sput an' spam from th' most mentally challenfe forumposter on th' web

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7 (edited by bladenosh 19-Sep-2008 10:16:47)

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Nolio...  You want an unbiased post?  Why haven't you commented on me rant?


Noir, th' long term costs o' social programs be cumulative.  Obama has a lot o' plans fer economic hand outs.

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I read it an' loved it wink

Sex without the e is still SX!

9 (edited by Genesis 19-Sep-2008 10:53:27)

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There He Goes Again
September 18, 2008
McCain ad misrepresents Obama's tax plan. Again.
Summary
The McCain-Palin campaign has released a new ad that once again distorts Obama's tax plans.

The ad claims Obama will raise taxes on electricity. He hasn't proposed any such tax. Obama does support a cap-and-trade policy that would raise the costs of electricity, but so does McCain.
It falsely claims he would tax home heating oil. Actually, Obama proposed a rebate of up to $1,000 per family to defray increased heating oil costs, funded by what he calls a windfall profits tax on oil companies.

The ad claims that Obama will tax "life savings." In fact, he would increase capital gains and dividends taxes only for couples earning more than $250,000 per year, or singles making $200,000. For the rest, taxes on investments would remain unchanged.

The McCain campaign argues in its documentation for this ad that, whatever Obama says he would do, he will eventually be forced to break his promise and raise taxes more broadly to pay for his promised spending programs. That's an opinion they are certainly entitled to express, and to argue for. But their ad doesn't do that. Instead, it simply presents the McCain camp's opinion as a fact, and it fails to alert viewers that its claims are based on what the campaign thinks might happen in the future.

Analysis
In what has become an ongoing theme, the McCain-Palin campaign has released yet another ad that makes false claims about Barack Obama's tax plan. The ad, which was released on Sept. 18 and which the campaign says will air nationally, claims that Obama will raise income taxes and will tax "life savings, electricity and home heating oil." As we keep saying, Obama says he'll raise income taxes and capital gains taxes only for couples earning more than $250,000 per year or singles making over $200,000. He has proposed no plans to raise taxes on either home heating oil or electricity.


Electric Charges


McCain-Palin 2008 Ad:
"Dome"




Narrator: When our economy's in crisis, a big government casts a big shadow on us all.

Obama and his liberal Congressional allies want a massive government, billions in spending increases, wasteful pork.

And, we would pay -- painful income taxes, skyrocketing taxes on life savings, electricity and home heating oil.

Can your family afford that?

McCain: I'm John McCain and I approve this message.The ad opens with standard-issue Republican warnings of the economic dangers of big government before proclaiming that Obama and his liberal allies want to bring back "a massive government" complete with billions in spending increases and waste. We are then told that Obama would raise income taxes and would increase taxes on "life savings, electricity and home heating oil."

This isn't the first time the McCain-Palin campaign has claimed that Obama would raise taxes on electricity. The claim is just as false now as it was when it first came up. The campaign bases its charge on a single comment Obama made in an interview with a San Antonio columnist. Obama did in fact say, "What we ought to tax is dirty energy, like coal and, to a lesser extent, natural gas." But, as we said then, the comment is grossly out of context. Obama's remark comes after he was asked whether we ought to tax renewable energy sources. This was not a general call for increasing taxes on coal or natural gas, and Obama certainly does not have any such proposal as part of his public platform.

One could argue that Obama's proposed cap-and-trade program constitutes an indirect tax on electricity. But McCain proposes cap-and-trade, too, and we haven't heard McCain say that he wants to tax your electric bill. These programs are designed to reduce carbon emissions by requiring companies to pay for pollution credits. Since most electricity in the U.S. is generated via coal and natural-gas plants, both carbon-emitting fossil fuels, a cap-and-trade program will result in higher electricity costs.


Overheated Claims


Contrary to the ad's claim, Obama has not proposed raising taxes on home heating oil. In fact, just the opposite. Obama is proposing rebate checks of up to $500 per individual or $1,000 per family for what he calls an "emergency energy rebate." Obama says the rebate would be large enough that a typical family in a northern state could offset the full increase in home heating costs that have resulted from rising oil prices. Obama plans to fund the rebate through a five-year windfall profits tax on oil companies.

The McCain-Palin campaign counters that a windfall profits tax on oil companies will raise the cost of heating oil. The campaign points to a Washington Post editorial which charges that the cost of the five-year tax:

Washington Post (Aug. 6): would be passed along in forgone investment in new production, lower dividends for pension funds and other shareholders, and higher prices at the pump

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check out more lies bein' straightened out at www.fact.check.org

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fact.check is about as biased as moveon.org is.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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no, Einstein, it is not. Don't use your "BIAS is everything I DONT AGREE with" attitude. This is a place for conversations, discussions and not spam.

I am all-in on electrics.

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Einstein, fact check, criticizes obama as much as mccain if not more

and please stop using my name in your posts, cuz this way, i'm enthusiastic when i read them mad which pisses me off, cuz they're your posts tongue




"So now the choice we face, do we elect Obama, who will utterly rape our economy, and destroy our way of living, or do we not elect him and go on living? "

OMG, tongue ..didn't read your whole post yet.. but this part -- LMFAOO

yes, let us go on living like this, with possibly the biggest financial crisis America has seen, the mother of all bailouts, the economic crisis of a century, the economic mess that can rival and has the great depression of 1920 running for it's money..
yes let us keep the regulation low, REALLY low, so that we can again have another housing crisis, let us elect mccain so we can continue our disaster, let us elect him so we go on living like this, let us elect him so he can proove to us that every message that he has hijacked from obama, he only did for politics, let us elect him so he can proove to us palin was only a political choice, nothing more, and everything less wink
let us elect him so he can proove to us all that he's not a maverick, instead a side kick BAAMMM
let us elect him so he can proove to us that he has been made up of lies from the begining, and will do anything in the world to get elected, and he'll say anything in the english language or the spanish to get A vote -- McCain08

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>>yes, let us go on living like this, with possibly the biggest financial crisis America has seen, the mother of all bailouts, the economic crisis of a century, the economic mess that can rival and has the great depression of 1920 running for it's money..<<

B S

you see the stock market blossom??  The money is out there waiting for a good kill.  It will spur recovery if things get so bad!

Great Depression involved banks going out of existence with no deposit insurance!  That's not the problem here! It's not even possible!

This is not the crisis of a century, this is Round III of the Feeding Frenzy Fallout.  ROund I was S&L 1987 and Round II was Dot.Com and ROund III is Home Mortgage...each time it's going for the Big Thing on Credit and instant turnovers, suddenly the boom busts, often because of regulations and/or systemic fraud, and the speculator is stuck OWNING something he can't sell--and can't afford to own at the rates he borrowed to buy it... it will happen EVERY TEN YEARS and now, now they expect and demand a Federal Safety Net dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb!!!

rawr!!!!!

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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so umm just about every financial analyst, economic expert, more importantly cramer tongue  are wrong..and you're right?

also on a side note, the banks that withstood the great depression, are bowing out to this recession, this economic mess, they're going bankrupt

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so umm just about every financial analyst, economic expert, more importantly cramer   are wrong..and you're right?

It looks like it. 

"Fed staff discovered that one reason the federal-funds rate was behaving so abnormally was because money-market funds were building up cash in preparation for redemptions, leaving hoards of cash at their banks that the banks wouldn't invest.

U.S. depositary institutions on average held excess reserves of $90 billion each day this week, estimates Lou Crandall, chief economist at Wrightson ICAP. This is cash the banks hold on the sidelines that does not earn any interest. That compares with an average of $2 billion, he says, noting he estimates banks held $190 billion in excess cash on Thursday, as they feared they'd have to meet many obligations at the same time.

Through Wednesday, money-market fund investors -- including institutional investors such as corporate treasurers, pension funds and sovereign wealth funds -- pulled out a record $144.5 billion, according to AMG Data Services. The industry had $7.1 billion in redemptions the week before.

Without these funds' participation, the $1.7 trillion commercial-paper market, which finances automakers' lending arms or banks credit-card units, faced higher costs. The commercial-paper market shrank by $52.1 billion in the week ended Wednesday, according to data from the Federal Reserve, the largest weekly decline since December.

Without commercial paper, "factories would have to shut down, people would lose their jobs and there would be an effect on the real economy," says Paul Schott Stevens, president of the Investment Company Institute mutual-fund trade group."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122186563104158747.html

Get that?  There is hundreds of billions in the private sector that is not being loaned out so these companies can cover the potential cost of bad mortages and insuring bad mortgages.

But what's the proper goad to get them to loan the money?  Higher interest rates.  When factory owners pay more to borrow the money that is out there, more people will make loans.

Avoiding an economic slowdown is not the govts job.  Especially not by adding 10% to the national debt and 50% to our annual spending.

>>also on a side note, the banks that withstood the great depression, are bowing out to this recession, this economic mess, they're going bankrupt<<

SOME of them.  And so what? The deposits are insured.

The money is out there, the stock market booms prove that.  When the money is out there, whatever the short-term panic, it will be applied to opportunities to earn money.  All it takes is a cheaper price of businesses or better terms.  The engine of our economy is not at risk. What is at risk is the bloated prices we enjoyed all summer.

PS Jim Kramer?  That hack?  That pig?  That toad of a swine, that crybaby?  Who demands a fed rate cut rather than endure a month-long drop in profits? Of what concern is that to the federal govt???  This bailout threatens the dollar itself!

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.