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(35 replies, posted in Politics)

" wasnt talking about the this law with the terminally ill remark, it was a response to flint's grandpa-point."
my mistake.

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(35 replies, posted in Politics)

@yell:
You don't see the economics in this. In 2 or 3 generations, the fat or lonely girls will extinct, and you don't even have to pay for gas or something like that.

but on a more serious note, it does not apply to them as they are not terminally ill. Also you have to suffer physically without any future chance on improvement.

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(35 replies, posted in Politics)

Some more info:

Every doctor can choose not to do it. If the question is put to a doctor multiple times by a child and he wants to go further with it, he has to consult a second doctor first. A third doctor needs to examine if the child is capable of making rational decisions about the matter. If he decides this is not the case, he can veto the procedure. (Most importantly I don't know if they can try to counter it in any way from that point on but found nothing about it in sources on the internet). The medical team needs to examine every alternative solution and supply info to the parents.

In contrast to adults, a child needs to be terminally ill (sorry Primo tongue). Or that is what they told us in the media, I didn't read the entire law. Only a few children each year have the right conditions for this law to apply, and even fewer of them will proly make use of it.

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(35 replies, posted in Politics)

From deredactie.be (belgian news website)

The lower house of the Belgian Parliament has backed legislation that will allow euthanasia to be carried out on children. Belgium now joins the Netherlands as one of the few countries where euthanasia involving under 18's is possible.

The legislation provides a number of safeguards. Euthanasia can only be carried out on under 18's if their suffering is unbearable and they are terminally ill.

The children have to be in full possession of their mental skills and have to request the intervention themselves. The children's parents have to give a written authorisation and psychological support from a medical team must be provided.

Belgium was the second country in the world after the Netherlands to introduce euthanasia for adults in 2002. The present legislation involves an extension of the existing law.

Any thoughts?

230

(13 replies, posted in Politics)

wait...you're concerned about flints pants? tongue

231

(13 replies, posted in Politics)

lol

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(2 replies, posted in Politics)

flint +1

Large scale solar panels are bad for the economy AND the environment. They are only good for small scale power consumption at desolate places. Nobody can tell what future technology will bring but for now its simply not profitable.

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(28 replies, posted in Politics)

lol

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(28 replies, posted in Politics)

Damn people want to see you with that sign yell, nobody dared putting my post to second place in this forum for 3 entire days!

...so I suggest you mail me the pictures first and I sell them. You get 50% if you get back...deal?

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(28 replies, posted in Politics)

I agree if he's allowed to take that sign with him.

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(28 replies, posted in Politics)

"Little Paul, for thirty years Chinese growth has exceeded India's.
For the past thirty years Singapore has outgrown virtually any country."
You want to live in any of those? When you go from 1 to 2 it means 100% growth. When you go from 10 to 15 only 50. That is why growth percentages should be interpreted right.

We have seen many econs grow out of nothing, but none of them non-democracies econ lasted very long. My claim still stands, freedom needs to be guaranteed by the system for stability and prosperity in the long run.

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(6 replies, posted in Politics)

lol

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(28 replies, posted in Politics)

"What is size to do with a model working or not?"
Many small countries live from either tourism, resources or tax evasion so are not representative. If they do not, they usually benefit from something else (lucrative cooperation with a bigger nation.)

Further more it is statistically much more easy to find a small abomination then a large one. There are islands of a few people claiming independence. If you bring the math down to a few people it gets ridiculous.

"to then be squandered in one way or another"
...and who do you think benefits?

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(28 replies, posted in Politics)

"Some of these countries aren't democracies."
Give an example then. Don't point at countries with over the top resources or countries so small you don't know if you passed the border 2 times in 10 minutes.

China is an example of a sinking ship where most people live in poverty and pollution. But the little freedom they gave brought (poorly divided) wealth. If it became slowly democratic it could really grow, but I doubt it.

There is no example on earth of a non-democractic country growing rich unless they have abundant resources of one kind or another. Even IF you could name one or two, it would still be an exception.

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(28 replies, posted in Politics)

"It's not that they "aren't democratic," it's that they weren't raised and educated to appreciate the freedoms that made America the wealthiest nation on earth.

American voters already have us $50,000 in debt per person, with a Federal Reserve inflated stock market bubble ready to burst. We'll be lucky if we can turn this nation around (toward solvency) already. Illegal immigrant voters who've been getting handouts from our government, viewing it as their friend, and lacking the historical education of how dangerous government is, are not going to help the matter."
I do agree with that, and it was more or less what I meant, only a poor choice of words. To my defense I have to speak 4 languages regularly and I'm often mixing them up.

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(28 replies, posted in Politics)

It took the western world a long time to become a little democratic with many steps back and forth, we shouldn't expect those people to become democratic overnight.

A solution to your problem would be to deny anyone who hasn't been a citizen from birth a vote.

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(22 replies, posted in Politics)

You proly come claiming you lacked time, but your silence says a lot You_Fool. Its easy to point out what is wrong but not to give an alternative.

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(4 replies, posted in Politics)

@arby:
The problem with public executions is you don't have an honest defense.  You don't need honest defense for the 1 out of ten criminals but for the 9 out of ten good people. (the equation is just a random figure pointing out the majority of people never did anything wrong). Also don't forget a large part of the population is downright retarded.

@all
I do however support these modern versions of undercover operations to track down criminals. We should protect our children.

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(22 replies, posted in Politics)

...and even if it isn't exactly the same, the effective outcome is still very much the same. So I stand with you on this one Kemp.

@fool:
If you take the third stage or the ideal state of Marx, our current systems in the western world are closest to it in the world. No matter if it is about equality, personal freedom, or power to the people. So I ask again, what type of gov do you advocate? It is easy to say what should be but how would you get there?

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(22 replies, posted in Politics)

Wouldn't surprise me yell. There is a politics forum after all and the website is in English. But it would ofc point out why the poll hasn't got any more positive about their econ.

@fool:
"This is very true. The only way out is through a dramatic shift in focus on what is important, from money and material possessions to the enjoyment of life."
So...you're a Dudeist?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dudeism

On a more serious note, you don't provide a worked-out alternative. Kemps social, economic and state model is pretty clear, and proly very close to mine, but what do you advocate then?

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(22 replies, posted in Politics)

"The system is wrong because it allows (and actively encourages) this unwanted behaviour; just like communism allows for the power hungry to have absolute power."
What system doesn't allow unwanted behavior then?

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(22 replies, posted in Politics)

Strange that no-one predicts them to grow as fast or faster as they did. Not so long ago many people here predicted them to overtake the world economically.

Maybe I should have had every option end with: "but shut up LP" and them 2 persons would have voted something else. tongue

lol

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(22 replies, posted in Politics)

Its hard to predict, but there are a number of reasons for the economy not to grow as fast as it did.

Pollution:
Pollution in the cities is huge. Its even worse then the darkest moment of our industrial age.
People die of smog and get poisoned by heavy metals in their water. They have a huge drinking water problem and many farmlands will become useless in the future. The air pollution costs a fortune every year.

Demand stagnates:
Their economy was based on ever growing huge export.  Most of this export went to western countries. They gradually took over many production lines from western companies. Their share in products made for the west can't increase as much as it did.

Energy:
They relied on cheap energy for the production of their goods. This energy will become more expensive for them.

Corruption:
No need to explain that. It also makes for a larger gap between rich and poor as anywhere in the world and social tension.

Demand for freedom:
Even for the Chinese who are used to decades of oppression, there are more uprisings as ever before.

Aging:
the population is aging rapidly because of the one child policy.