Topic: United Kingdom backpedals hard on Global Warming efforts!

Finally they cannot hide and are giving it up!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/bills/ … z2rY6bwTt9

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Re: United Kingdom backpedals hard on Global Warming efforts!

Flint, did you actually read your own article?

They are not repealing their carbon tax, they are putting a freeze on rises on the tax. Further, from your aticle:

The tax is on fossil fuels used to produce electricity and it is aimed at reducing pollution from greenhouse gases. It is unique to Britain, and energy firms must pay it on top of European Union carbon reduction levies.

It is an industry specific tax, and they are getting taxed twice. Once by the UK government and once by the EU. Further, it is an election year in the UK. Simply put, this is a campaigning tactic to say, "We are going to save you money on your electricity bills!"

So in short, they are not backpedaling in any way on global warming, they are in fact buying votes at the expense of the environment, and not increasing further a tax on a specific industry where that same specific industry is already being taxed by another authority.

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3 (edited by V. Kemp 27-Jan-2014 07:31:47)

Re: United Kingdom backpedals hard on Global Warming efforts!

At the expense of the environment? Hahahaha.

You can tax heating and vehicle fuel all you want, you're not helping the environment. People still have to heat their homes and get to work and the doctor and the grocery store.

That tax is wealth redistribution from the poor to the rich. It's a fascist tax. A tax on ignorance. A tax on tolerating tyranny.

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Rich people use electricty (and therefore pay more) too. In fact, if you have your mansion you are probably using more electricity than the common man and therefore paying more of the tax. It isn't taking money from the poor to the rich, it is taking money from everyone to the government coffers to then be squandered in one way or another.

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"to then be squandered in one way or another"
...and who do you think benefits?

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A Freeze is an end, otherwise they would expand how long to get there.

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Re: United Kingdom backpedals hard on Global Warming efforts!

Flint, your article indicates that the tax will continue, however that it was due to rise in how much the electricity providers were paying. What they are freezing is the rises in how much the electricity providers will be paying, they will still be paying the current amount of tax on it. That is far from an end, it is simply a lack of further increase.

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Re: United Kingdom backpedals hard on Global Warming efforts!

It is the start, they could have said "We will now make the next raise of taxes take x months/years longer" or they could freeze it indefinitely.

The Freeze indicates a backpedal where increasing the time frame would indicate a continuation.

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9 (edited by V. Kemp 27-Jan-2014 21:32:55)

Re: United Kingdom backpedals hard on Global Warming efforts!

Gwynedd wrote:

Rich people use electricty (and therefore pay more) too. In fact, if you have your mansion you are probably using more electricity than the common man and therefore paying more of the tax. It isn't taking money from the poor to the rich, it is taking money from everyone to the government coffers to then be squandered in one way or another.

You really shouldn't vote when you're so oblivious to the repercussions of your actions. You're hurting people.

Gas (transport and heating) is a larger portion of poor people's budgets than it is of rich people's. By a HUGE margin. It hurts the poor more than the rich. It takes more from the poor, proportionately, than it does the rich. And, as you admit, government then squanders the money anyway.

But you just don't care that it's hurting the poor for no gain? They're not taxed enough already, at an over 50% rate? (not referring solely to income) That's not atrocious theft and tyranny already?

About about the "no gain" part. How do you justify hurting people for no gain? We could all replace our light bulbs with those dangerous ones that use less electricity and buy hybrid cars (ignoring the damage their batteries do to the environment or all the extra emissions used to produce these costly automobiles, let's pretend that doesn't impact "greenhouse gas" emissions) and there would be no measurable impact on global "greenhouse gasses."

China's building dozens of new coal plants every year, and they have 97 trillion people in their country alone. Virtually no developing countries give a damn about greenhouse gasses. And, as ridiculous taxes hurt the poor and make production more expensive in nations which wage war on industry (ie their middle classes), that industry and that production is exported to countries without such taxes.

Not only do you have no science behind your claim that man-produced "greenhouse gasses" are changing our climate, but the legislation you support does absolutely nothing to measurably alter "greenhouse gas" emissions.

But you don't care, it makes you feel good? I'm not seeing the rational explanation here. You're supporting fascism in the name of the planet with the sure knowledge that it doesn't help the planet. You're just supporting fascism for its own sake.

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Re: United Kingdom backpedals hard on Global Warming efforts!

Mister Spock wrote:

China's building dozens of new coal plants every year, and they have 97 trillion people in their country alone. Virtually no developing countries give a damn about greenhouse gasses.

Mister Spock wrote:

Not only do you have no science behind your claim ...

Seems like we are pulling figures out of thin air, given that according to UN stats there are currently a little over 7 billion people in the world. Clearly you don't know what science is, let alone understand its basic principles.

As for me supporting the legislation or the premise, I haven't indicated anywhere that I support the tax. I simply stated that Flint's article does not support his standpoint. Your assumptions on what I do or do not support are ridiculous.

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