Topic: NAP fight Example

Okay, so had a bit of a skirmish last round - and I wrote a bit of commentary just so that you new-age attackers can see, that a proper NAP war is the funnest thing you can experience in IC.

Just posting here so you guys can see how things happened ...it was fun for me big_smile ...(but yes, its really nerdy -_-)

More people need to do this, and you'll realise how awesome it is smile


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Torqez vs Blue

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Incase you were interested, we just had a nice little skirmish tongue  You can see the reports in Fam news, but they don't really paint a good picture

This is how a proper cancellation war is supposed to be like.  Anyway just explaining it for you guys a bit so you see how it went big_smile ...Lucky I was online to do what I needed to wink - i dindt know he jumped tho, so he had first strike.


Blue      Ivory Bow      12220749gc    50
From Infil = 800k Figs, 5.8m Droids, 500k Soldiers

vs

Torqez      Camaar      7094647gc    226
600k Figs, 1.8m Droids, 0 Soldiers

I can't attack him cos I have no morale atm, having cleared Ultraviolet.  So playing defense for now.  Bound to lose portals, but thats how its played.


---> 1st Hit:
Week 47, 21    Defense Report
Our planet 3 at x:20, y:51 was attacked by Blue of family 3149, I am pleased to say that we with our forces extraordinary fighting skill were able to fight the attackers off our planet.
In the fight we lost 1 fighters

DS Check.  Good job on him, he found a DS.

-->  2nd Hit:
Week 47, 21    Defense Report
Our planet 7 at x:23, y:1 was attacked by Blue of family 3149, I am pleased to say that we with our forces extraordinary fighting skill were able to fight the attackers off our planet.
In the fight we lost 59787 fighters

Like I said, didn't know he jumped and he caught me off guard.  With attack bonus and military bonus fig hits hurt.  Good job him.

--> 3rd Hit:
Week 47, 21    Defense Report
Our planet 7 at x:23, y:1 was attacked by Blue of family 3149, I am pleased to say that we with our forces extraordinary fighting skill were able to fight the attackers off our planet.
In the fight we lost 1581 fighters

I quickly stationed my figs.  Him hitting figs hurts bad hmm

--> 4th Hit:
Week 47, 21    Defense Report
Our planet 7 at x:23, y:1 was attacked by Blue of family 3149, I am pleased to say that we with our forces extraordinary fighting skill were able to fight the attackers off our planet.
In the fight we lost 373 fighters

My figs still stationed, he still testing - good for him.

--> 5th Hit:
Week 47, 21    Defense Report
Our planet 7 at x:23, y:1 was attacked by Blue of family 3149. Our defending forces fought bravely but I am sorry to say that they after a long bloody fight had to flee the planet.
In the fight we also lost 995 fighters 216 soldiers 206161 droids

Clears a portal of mine.  Good job Him.  So far, he hit my Figs 1, and Portal 1.

--> 6th Hit:
Week 47, 21    Defense Report
Our planet 10 at x:81, y:7 was attacked by Blue of family 3149. Our defending forces fought bravely but I am sorry to say that they after a long bloody fight had to flee the planet.
In the fight we also lost 697 fighters 217 soldiers 206619 droids 283 laser turrets

Clears another portal, while I'm trying to figure out what's going on.  Asked Raspo for infil etc.  Blue = 1 Fig hit, 2 Portals Cleared

--> 7th Hit:
Week 47, 21    Defense Report
Our planet 4 at x:83, y:14 was attacked by Blue of family 3149. Our defending forces fought bravely but I am sorry to say that they after a long bloody fight had to flee the planet.
In the fight we also lost 55717 fighters 189 soldiers 179591 droids

Bang! I unstation my figs, he doesn't suspect at all and sent in full fleet.  Got to have taken a hit there on trannies and ground.  He still has plenty that land, so takes the planet still.  No worries, dmg to fleet is more important, I still have plenty of portals near him.
Blue = 1 Fig Hit, 3 Portals.  Torqez = 1 Fullfleet unstation.

--> 8th Hit:
Week 47, 21    Defense Report
Our planet 5 at x:85, y:21 was attacked by Blue of family 3149, I am pleased to say that we with our forces extraordinary fighting skill were able to fight the attackers off our planet.
In the fight we lost 1773 fighters

Since I pulled my figs on him, he wants to try run them again (having taken losses on droids).  I had stationed them again, so he hits nothing.

-->  9th Hit:
Week 47, 21    Defense Report
Our planet 5 at x:85, y:21 was attacked by Blue of family 3149. Our defending forces fought bravely but I am sorry to say that they after a long bloody fight had to flee the planet.
In the fight we also lost 52162 fighters 61 soldiers 58270 droids

I unstation again, JUST in time big_smile ...again he sends full fleet in without thinking I would pull my figs.  Look at the droid loss now of mine.  First portal lost was 206k, this hit he only killed 58k.  Definitely took a hit on his ground twice.
Blue = 1 Fig Hit, 3 Portals.  Torqez = 2 Fullfleet unstation.

--> 10th Hit:
Week 47, 21    Defense Report
Our planet 12 at x:96, y:17 was attacked by Blue of family 3149, I am pleased to say that we with our forces extraordinary fighting skill were able to fight the attackers off our planet.
In the fight we lost 52 fighters

Having hit his ground yet again, he again tests for figs.  I'm smart and station before this hit again.  Knowing he's bound to test with figs only.

-->  11th Hit:
Week 47, 21    Defense Report
Our planet 12 at x:96, y:17 was attacked by Blue of family 3149, I am pleased to say that we with our forces extraordinary fighting skill were able to fight the attackers off our planet.
In the fight we lost 36 fighters

Now, knowing his pattern, I kept them stationed for two hits.  He knows I unstation after 1 check, so he checks again.  I till have my figs stationed.

-->  12th Hit:
Week 47, 21    Defense Report
Our planet 12 at x:96, y:17 was attacked by Blue of family 3149, I am pleased to say that we with our forces extraordinary fighting skill were able to fight the attackers off our planet.
In the fight we lost 49032 fighters 29 soldiers 27976 droids

Ooooops, guess he didn't think I'd unstation after the 2nd fig hit wink  AAgain full fleet into my figs, this time he didn't have enuff to break my ground.  Heavy droid losses.
Blue = 1 Fig Hit, 3 Portals.  Torqez = 3 Fullfleet unstation.

--> 14th Hit:
In the fight we lost 856 fighters

Fig check.  I only have s portal left, so its just a matter of time.  He'll win if he doesnt have to go thru figs.

--> 15th Hit:
In the fight we lost 46263 fighters

I unstation...wrongly sad ...Another fig hit.  Good move on his part.
Blue = 2 Fig Hits, 3 Portals.  Torqez = 3 Fullfleet unstation.

--> 16th Hit:
In the fight we lost 1720 fighters

Stationed now, losing figs hurts so not worth it - would rather lose the 2 last portals.

--> 17th Hit:
In the fight we lost 1204 fighters

Still checking

--> 18th Hit:
In the fight we lost 843 fighters

Got him really paranoid, lol.

--> 19th Hit:
Week 47, 21    Defense Report
Our planet 12 at x:96, y:17 was attacked by Blue of family 3149, I am pleased to say that we with our forces extraordinary fighting skill were able to fight the attackers off our planet.
In the fight we lost 50 fighters 34 soldiers 32220 droids

He sends full figs and not all ground - can't even break my droids. With that makeup.

--> 20th Hit:
Week 47, 21    Defense Report
Our planet 12 at x:96, y:17 was attacked by Blue of family 3149, I am pleased to say that we with our forces extraordinary fighting skill were able to fight the attackers off our planet.
In the fight we lost 35 fighters

Again testing for figs.  I had them stationed as don't wanna take the risk of him hitting my figs .  I have plenty of portals in the area, plenty of tickers, so not worth losing figs now.

--> 21st Hit:
Week 47, 21    Defense Report
Our planet 12 at x:96, y:17 was attacked by Blue of family 3149. Our defending forces fought bravely but I am sorry to say that they after a long bloody fight had to flee the planet.
In the fight we also lost 25 fighters 107 soldiers 102460 droids

Another portal gone - acceptable loss.
Blue = 2 Fig Hits, 4 Portals.  Torqez = 3 Fullfleet unstation.

--> 22nd Hit:
Week 47, 21    Defense Report
Our planet 19 at x:97, y:68 was attacked by Blue of family 3149, I am pleased to say that we with our forces extraordinary fighting skill were able to fight the attackers off our planet.
In the fight we lost 17 fighters

Another fig hit.  I havn't unstationed in a while now and I know he's anxious to take out the last portal. ...so I unstation wink

--> 23rd Hit:
Week 47, 21    Defense Report
Our planet 19 at x:97, y:68 was attacked by Blue of family 3149. Our defending forces fought bravely but I am sorry to say that they after a long bloody fight had to flee the planet.
In the fight we also lost 43866 fighters 97 soldiers 92021 droids

Bang.  Full fleet unstation again.  Ofcourse at this point my figs are hurting, but he lost a lot of ground again as he fullfleeted.  He took the last portal, but not without having to go through my figs.

Blue = 2 Fig Hits, 5 Portals.  Torqez = 4 Fullfleet unstation.

Now to see networth drops of what he lost exactly smile

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That my friends is a lil example on how a battle can go in a NAP war.  It's fun as hell.  The only exhilerating thing in IC imo.  Because you don't know what's going to happen or how to handle it - and more importantly, it's all happening real time.

In summary I took 5 portal losses, but he had more fleet.  Meanwhile I unstationed on him where I could.  he did well to hit my figs twice.  In a proper NAP war if I was the main fig guy, I'd have enuff figs to wipe out his entire droid fleet in one go if i unstationed.  Similarly, if a Fig guy caught my figs, I'd lose 30% of all my figs on a max hit more than likely.  Either way, its fun and unpredictable and a lot of strategy behind it too smile

Entire wars are decided like this in the first tick, based on who handles their fleet the best.

Anyway, end result?

Week 47, 21
ye i lost all my fleet on ur figs :'(
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Signed, Frog of Blue (3149)


Nw drop to follow smile


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Blue      Ivory Bow      12220749gc    50    [ONLINE]
Blue      Ivory Bow      9896583gc    60    [ONLINE]

NW lost = 2.3m


Torqez      Camaar      7094647gc    226
Torqez      Camaar      5220743gc    218   

NW lost = 1.8m


...not bad for being on the defense!  Killed 2.3m of his fleet tongue  ...not a lot compared to what he has, but a huge step towards it.  Now the battle of instants is over and it moves to tickers.

2 (edited by Torqez 29-Apr-2010 04:17:41)

Re: NAP fight Example

Moral of the story?

Don't break NAPs, dont try to find loopholes, don't void them for no reason or just a whim.

Enjoy the opportunity to build mass fleet for once and go bash each other big_smile - it's fun as hell!

Edit: Sp -_-

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Moral*

Lol you read him very nicely. I have plenty of fun trying to read people with tick wars and such too. There's just so much at stake in NAP wars it makes me too nervous.

BTW, is it always preferable to have one main fig guy and one main ground guy? It feels too risky for the ground fella... one mistake or bad luck and there goes the war.

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Not always preferrable, but usually ya.  Thats why you need to have great communication between the two of you.

It's done for networth purposes - to split the figs and ground guy.  Each has their own dedicated role and tasks to do for the war.

Eg, if you'd have 3m figs and 5m droids, that puts one attacker at 14m networth.

But if you split say, 2.5m figs, 500k droids on one guy, and 500k figs and 4.5m droids on the other guy ....thats 8m nw on the fig guy, and 6m nw on the ground guy.  This way, the both of you can attack lower networth people.


It's also done somwhat for morale.  You don't want your ground guy to be wasting morale having to check for figs or fig running someone.

Also, if you split the fleet equally, 50-50, then you're giving away an advantage to have fleet superiority.

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Week 47, 21    Defense Report
Our planet 7 at x:23, y:1 was attacked by Blue of family 3149, I am pleased to say that we with our forces extraordinary fighting skill were able to fight the attackers off our planet.
In the fight we lost 59787 fighters

l2station smile

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Metrex

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g00d stuff n3rd


very interesting fight, but seems like blue had too much of a pattern not to mess his fleet up, gotta be spontaneous ther mang

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that was actually quite enjoyable once fully read smile

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Metrex

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I think throughout my whole IC experience, I've only participated in 1 proper NAP war where I got to attack... and during the 0.5 - 1 second it took me to figgie check and then trigger my ground, the opponent recalled and I got pwned more or less. That pretty much sums up my NAP war experience lol.

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Tbh, he killed a bigger % of your fleet than you on him. Nicely played for sure, but tbh with a few more of thoose runs your figs wouldve become insifnificant i believe

LORD HELP OREGON

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Absolutly agree - the power was all his.  He had the upperhand.  If he had a bit more patience, he could have either killed all my figs, or cleared all the portals with minimal losses.

If I had morale too, I would have run his figs first - since 600k figs on attack bonus + military, would best his 800k figs.  Keep in mind, this wasn't first tick of war - it was like a day into it.

But yea, he could have definitely done better ...but its more to show how fun this form of fighting can be.  I wish more of this would come back in todays IC.

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Ye very nice post.

If your fleet had been closer to his to begin with, he would be in trouble.

But also a moral here is that if your fleet is big enough, you dont really need to care about losses tongue.

Also you wrote somewhere that you caught his fullfleet and you assumed his last losses since he now sent less ground.

Obviiously he just sent less ground to reduce his losses in the airfight wink

LORD HELP OREGON

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Patterns while attacking? Oh boy tongue

13 (edited by Kollop 01-May-2010 17:33:45)

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I was Blue

cool u kept that, i think i have different analysis of where i did mistakes and where i did not:

Well it's not really a situation of nap cancellation, but still interesting to see the process of fighting on shares.

I'm in pmode with 9-10 shares with Torqez.

Tick 0:
I have the advantage since he doesnt know when/if im going to jump fleet, i have another advantage since they have no infil on me (pmode) so they dont know atm what i jumped.
Torqez isnt my target (i want to go on mexicana that is more or less 2,7m nw), but i have to remove him from places I am in their core in order to do what i have to do on Mexicana. here i have a disadvantage compared to a normal nap cancellation because i dont only have to kill his figs but aswell take the plts (send ground with figs that arent so heavy since the for banker i target i wont need lot of figs).

we both have declared so my goal is to be next tick between 25% and 35% to blow mexicana's plts. So i jump a bit bigger than the limit knowing ill lose fleet. Had saves to jump much bigger but know he has saves to be even bigger 3 ticks later. but i also have to jump big enough that he jumps double of me and cant attack anymore my players at 2-3m nw.

I start with a big mistake:
Im obsessed by my goal to remove him from shares in their core, i guess they have DS on me on at least 1 system.
so i test DS where i think he is: Bingo! I lose precious seconds to watch my mapgen, enter coords of a system where im sure he has no DS then start the run. If i started here first i would have got his figs 4-5 times before he can station them sad

when he stations, i know that he will be KO few seconds, go to my fam page to see how high i jumped, maybe ask an infil (he is camaar). So i use the send full fleet button on 3 shares after second one he must still be KO without all the infos needed, but since he is good he unstations figs to get my ground.
Ouch i lose 1m droids over my 5.5m, this comes from my starting mistake.

i try to run his figs, playing tricks like send 2 fig runs in 5 seconds and a third in 10s that he thinks im selecting ground aswell. but cant do it too much since i have to keep morale for Mexicana.

I send 1m droids with my figs since he has no soldiers. I hit his figs but capture the planet losing 200k droids.

I try some other fig runs then send 500k droids to see if it's enough but it's not.

He makes a mistake:
Messages me: haha i killed all ur ground u cant take my plts anymore.

I return him a sarcastic message
Week 47, 21
ye i lost all my fleet on ur figs :'(
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Signed, Frog of Blue (3149)

While he contemplates it and shares it with his fam, i take all his other portals not in DS with 1m droids losing less and less droids since at final i runned his figs twice with no ground and 4-5 times taking portals.
I got 8 of his portals, still have 1-2 shares under DS but letting figs out he cant break so i can start my job next tick on Mexicana and be in trouble only in 3 ticks. I take 2 other portals from Venom.

Next tick i have 2X500k droids coming in. I did it in 2 parts in order to be abble to cancel one or all if i lost nothing this tick in order to be at blowing range for Mexicana.

End of tick i have 3.5 m droids left, and 300k figs +1m droids coming next tick.

tick 1:
Lost 3.5m nw but won 1m. I blow all shares with Mexicana, send to all 1 tickers

tick 2 blow all 1 tickers i sent and send all fleet out on 150 plts of mexicana since i know Torqez fleet arrives next tick and i dont want to try to defend my portals since he'll get them anyway and i will lose fleet so my nw is too low to blow plts.

Blue = 6 Fig Hits, 8 Portals, 450 plts blown on Mexicana and Porcus.  Torqez = 1 Fullfleet unstation, 3 1m droids Unstation.

'Success! The realm of Genesis has been reduced to dust! Our forces are leaving the planet though, as it is scheduled for demolition to make way for a new hyperspace bypass.'

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lol pwned torq

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i had a precise showing of this, i was ground guy though, and i tested 2 times for figs, 3rd hit i lost quite some ground tongue

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we know flashy, you n00bcakes

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cool smile

nap cancelation wars are indeed the best thing in IC, especially so when it's 3v3, those were the best wars ever.

Also, just to make sure you didn't mis-understand, Nox. You can split ground guy and fig guy, however the ground guy still needs a reasonable amount of figs. No figs is heavy ground losses, and that's no good for anyone.

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gd gd post torq

Airwing

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Enjoyed reading this, thx!

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Enjoyed reading it too, really makes me want to play again ^^

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