1 (edited by Justinian I 04-May-2008 03:50:49)

Topic: Obama --> military coup?

If there is a victory by Obama for President, do you think the US military will stage a coup?

I can see 90% of America's elite becoming outraged to the point of rebellion, I mean the media is pounding on Obama right now to the point of desperation. And there are plenty of reasons for an elite to hate Obama, and very few to love him.

Will this destabilize the country?

Lead to civil war?

Pronounce class divisions?

Pronounce racial divisions?

Could this lead to a military autocracy?

What?

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no you just have your head up your ass

wink lol

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Well he is a Socialist. The American elite aren't going to like that very much

4 (edited by Zarf BeebleBrix 04-May-2008 05:37:25)

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The military may not like Obama, but in the United States, historical tradition has leaned toward generals acting merely as appendages for their superiors, rather than as autonomous agents.  Of all the people, the generals realize the importants of a secure chain of command.

If such a scenario were even close to realistic, it would have been done during the Bush administration, especially considering the number of generals that retired in protest of the Iraq war.  (Not meant as some anti-Bush scenario.  Just using it as an empirical denial of your claim)

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5 (edited by tavius 04-May-2008 05:43:31)

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I hope by elite you don't mean Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, George Soros, Paul Wolf...etc. Only some of the wealthiest capitalists and most influential self-made people in the U.S.

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i agree with zarf about it being most likely when bush is president

and if mccain is elected..scratch bush and write mccain big_smile

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there will not be a military coup against obama

if the establishment takes any action against him it will be aimed at making him a lame duck president and if necessary they will pull a kennedy/mlk assassasination on him

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yeah ..let's just hope there aren't MANY people like justinian in the government...

i would cross my fingers though, cuz there are a lot of people who're guna get run over by obama, and he's guna rightly make many enemies..he already has, lets's also hope they just rightly settle with the change, and maybe just settle for a flawless country (i doubt it--but hope is there big_smile)

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ironically if you want to change anything in a complicated machinery like US politicas you have to move with the flow - GWB didn't and he barely achieved anything

what do you think obama will do when he comes into office? who would he get rid of other than the usual politically appointed folks that get fired anyway whenever a different party president gets elected?

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That's true.  Obama can say all the change he wants, but it does not change the politicians of Congress or the members of the Supreme Court or the lobbyists.  Obama will be at odds and unless his supporters, who blindly follow his speeches as if they were from the mouth of God, start voting in Congressmen who actually believe in Obama's change, then nothing will get done.  Unfortunately for Obama, the Republicans still control a vast portion of Congress (regardless of how they are the minority in both parties).

I listened to a portion of Obama's speech and he mentioned a lot about what he would change and a few plans to change them...yet, no details.  He truly had the hearts of the young college students that have been getting a lot of free rides and only want more.  Whatever happened to the hard-working American?

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there is no hard working american in the race except him..from what i see tongue

but honestly, yeah the odds of change are very very slim, but they're the best with him, atleast he's different. Clinton and McCain are more of the same, as much as they say they aren't, the way they talk and handle things is proof enough

atleast Obama handles things in a different manner, a manner i can relate too, and so can all the people who're voting for him, and you gotta admit SupAll his speeches are really something..they send chills down my back spine sometimes tongue
if president doesn't work out for him..he should really be a motivational speaker..a low grade job..but he'd get a lot done..A LOT

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"and you gotta admit SupAll his speeches are really something..they send chills down my back spine sometimes"

Hitler was very good at speeches, too.  However, I'm sure he sent chills down everyone's spines.  Not that I'm comparing Obama to Hitler, I'm just saying that a great speech is hardly something I look at in a President (otherwise, I wouldn't be so supportive of Bush).


"there is no hard working american in the race except him..from what i see"

Well, Clinton does have to put up with her husband and his past.  That's quite a bit of work there and don't even get me started on McCain's age.  Most of the people I see at that age are in wheelchairs (and I should know, I work at a hospital).

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If the military (currently dying in Iraq) was going to stage a military coup against a president, it would have happened already.

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I can't agree more...

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A coup would never happen and don't even expect riots.  The ONLY riots that would appear are the young college students that would cry "foul" because their Obama lost.  They'll probably claim "election fraud" and demand "recounts" and all the other kinds of bullshit young college students like to spout.

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Exactly, the US is more pissed at our president then ever before... if shit was going to go down, it would have...

George Smith Patton
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

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Please, the only people that are pissed at the President are the ones that have unwarranted hate.

17 (edited by Gwynedd 19-Jun-2008 01:58:09)

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Unwarranted hate? Okay he made clear that recall of armed forces in Iraq would begin this summer, about three or so months ago. Then, a few weeks ago he announced that would be knocked back 1-3 years. Do we really want to spend a full decade over there, esspecially sicne we're already fighting a war in Afghanistan? Its just [tree]ing rediculous at this point.

George Smith Patton
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

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Three or so months ago?  Three or so months ago, the violence in Iraq had dramatically decreased.  Then, Al-Maliki got some balls and stood up to the Sadr Militia, causing militias to start acting up again.  Yet, the Iraqi government (and now Iran) has begun to alienate Sadr and his militia to the point where their political power is diminishing and their militias are slowly becoming the enemies of the majority of the Iraqi citizens.

No one wants to be in Iraq for a decade or more.  I have never heard anyone say "I want to be in Iraq for a decade."  No one has said that.  Yet, those who don't support the effort seem to fail to see the risks of just pulling out.  Are we forgetting how easily Iraq could slip into destabilization to the point where terrorist organizations could influence the area and even gain far more recruits?  Like I said, those who hate Bush have no reason to hate him.  You have reasons to hate his policy, to hate how things were run, but not the man itself.  It's unwarranted.  People hating Bush because of his policies is like me hating my boss for putting me on a ridiculous work schedule.  Yet, I like my boss.  She's fun and light-hearted, I just don't like the way things are run.

So, yes.  It's unwarranted.  By the way, how ridiculous would it be if a group was willing to help people in a country get food, but once that food gets stolen by armed militias, the group doesn't want to go in and make sure the people get that food by having troops on the ground?  The democrats are hypocrites through and through.  Just look at dear Obama.  He's touted campaigning fair and positive yet, his campaign has fallen back to attack ads.

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Maybe we should take the discussion to some wider extend and debate about the possibility of a coup anytime, and also in european countries. What would happen if a coup is succesfull? I.m.o. it would make litle difference if it were an extreme left or right wing or just plain old dictatorship. What would happen if eg itally would fall into the hands of berlusconi? What will he do to the other countries?

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I'm not saying we should get up an leave, I'm jsut saying we need to start sending troops home, not sending troops in. I know a guy who will stay for a fourth tour of duty because Bush canceled out the withdrawl. He was supposed to be on the way home when it began, now I'm not using that as a sad story to wing this my way, but come on! And I'm not trying to say you want to be there for a decade, but my point is, why aren't the Iraqi's helping out? It is their country, and frankly, I don't see the point of our men dying over there if they're not going to help out, where is the Iraqi government's military that we have spent hundreds of millions, if not billions, on through training and weaponry?

George Smith Patton
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

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well if we were not deceived into an utterly unjust and mis guided military action against an evil dictator which supposedly had WMD's (and has now been shown to not be the case) we would not be going the way of a resection in the US. we have spent billions of dollars on this war and all that its gotten us is a destabilization of half the middle east, and now we are obligated to stay in iraq and make sure the country doesent slip further into the shit hole we dug for it. this war is a war that we were tricked into because of our post 9/11 fear of being attacked by alqaeda and supposed ties with Saddam and his WMD's. our government used our fear to have us fall into line and keep us nice and quiet wile we assaulted a 3rd world country. I am gonna vote nader cause all the dems want to do (although i am a dem myself) is pull out of iraq which atm is seriously no longer an option since our fearless leader has completely leveled the countries infrastructure and demolished its economy.


and this mess about a coup..... are you on crack man? seriously a coup in the US government would be one of the most difficult things to pull off. you would have to get each branch of the armed forces to agree with you and then if that works keep each individual joint chief from wanting to take power and starting an in fight between all coup participants tongue.

would be kinda like a double coup or a civil war post coup yikes

and obama a socialist? hahahaha  maybe some of his views but a full socialist nevor tongue.

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> Justinian I wrote:

> Well he is a Socialist. The American elite aren't going to like that very much

Bush is a socialist too... the american elite are socialists... noob

Re: Obama --> military coup?

More likely that Texas will separate and another  couple of redneck trailer trash states from the south will join them

24 (edited by Gwynedd 19-Jun-2008 01:57:55)

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haha

not all southerners are red neck trailer trash tongue

maybe about 10% tongue

but most are now open minded non trailer living in people big_smile



theres a bunch of yankees [tree]ing there sisters and having sex with sheep tongue but i dont make fun of em tongue

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ok im not going to read everything here.  if obama gets the presidentcy the military will not uprise.  i can promise that for the mere fact that i am in the military.  we dont want to to get the vote, and i dont see him getting the vote,  but if he does, we will just have to suck it up and drive on.  after all, the commander and chief is our one highest boss.  but i can also say that if he ds win,  i sure as hell wont re-enlist again.