really dont wanna change it, since i want to play with friends of mine, its the reason i came back anyways.. and the reason i keep donating. so no drafts would probably mean i would quit.

anyways,

8/3 or 8/4 even? and no allys? 10/4 also works. but not being able to set up shop with friends and having a family full of ppl you cant depend on a tiniest bit would be the kill for us whom actually still play. ive had so many inactives in my capri fam that its sad. no attackers has come our way.. well in all fairness we did get 2 after SoR but they arent active enough to do retakes or takeovers... so there has to be drafts. better drop amount of players in familys then.

The game was better without you and your [pet gorilla], Gard.

(it was apparently directly offensive and intending to hurt someone personally before. put on your nice kid pants!)

Just repeating here, that it's not necessary that we go with the winning vote.  It's just for feedback.  I'm more interested in what people have to say about the different options or other ideas.

Everyone knows majority always doesn't know what's best for them or best for IC

But yea, still wanting to hear more ideas and what not!

gogoogoo!

Actually, they voted for no GEs

...but that was fail too!

"I don't wanna pull a number out of the air and guess, but just imagine if you spread those few attackers out over in more fams. It simply doesn't work, your diluting the fams firepower even further."

Or it would spawn more attackers and more leaders out of necessity.  They have to adapt, have to learn, to become better and better players.

One argument is that with drafts, people rely on them too much and the learning thing gets curbed where everything is spoonfed to them.

The opposition to this, is that active smart drafts are good teachers to active willing-to-learn randoms too.  There's both sides to it.

Thats kinder true Torqez about the spawns. I had to convert to attacker as everytime I went as banker, my attackers were inactive or just not good enough. Ended up getting raided alot lol and thats not fun as a banker. So I take your point there. But I also believe you gotta learn under someones wing. My first round as attacker was with Parrot and I learnt alot and had fun. However, if I joined an inactive crappy family, i'm not sure if i would of stuck with it and thats the way of lot of players feel also, im sure.

You gotta learn how to attack from someone who understands it. And by diluting the fams of firepower isn't going to achieve this. As long as fams are 16 or 18 members, drafts won't matter as each family is going to get a decent attacker or two. If fams stay at 13 with no drafts, its gona be PW again. Torqez, I remember you joining PW several weeks late, going SS ish and being top 20 by EOR. There was just too few attackers so every family were forced into infrawhoring. I remember you being huge in size and NW yet you was a one man army who should of been raided, lol. Just too few attackers in PW.

And bring back camaar!

I do too

"I remember you being huge in size and NW yet you was a one man army who should of been raided, lol."

Well I definitely disagree with that part!

Pyf 5 people one draft wow that would be crazy a lot of crap fams imho. not enough good leaders to go around.

I agree 18 man fams with this player base not good.

you said something about allies being predetermined wow what a concept. I actually think this would be good for the game.

Yeah i understand what frozenice is saying about famchat ,but honestly irc chat is at an all time low so you can see how come some fam chats are dead. Some fams use msn and can have a much larger group discussion over msn. I love irc most of the oldies do ,but for the newer players they may never got into irc yet still use a msn type of service.

This round my allies were much more active in chat and i still had them to chat with.

What i am trying to say is the ic fam structure is what you make it. If you put effort into fam chatting then you get more response espacially early round. Also less players are on 25 hours 8 days a week anymore.

Maybe we should make the galaxy 1 big familie and fight among each other.

i say smaller families
less planets per system
1 to 2 draft spots (so friends, or people who wanna team up can do so)

More spread talents among smaller families will result in a more stable galaxy with a XX amount of families being near each other in NW/planet count for fair wars.

galaxy war, get rid off drafts for a round then make top 10 fams of cap vs top 5 of pw in one gal and let the inactives go back to virgo where they would usually never esacpe from