Topic: [Adoross] phpBB / vBulletin discussion

Adoross: what functionality do you feel phpBB has that makes it a better choice for IC than FluxBB/PunBB? Please be as specific as possible (ie: mentioning the multigroup functionality rather than the admin cp). Thanks in advance. wink

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2 (edited by Adoross 06-Aug-2009 13:11:54)

Re: [Adoross] phpBB / vBulletin discussion

> User groups
> User group promissions
> Custom promissions
> Ability to split threads
> Posting as a sticky or announcment rather than posting and then setting
> Mod post approvel on forums
> Sub forums

I forgot:
> Auto post read tracking, PunBB dosen't seem to realise when I've read a post. How can I track whats new when it keeps telling me everything is new.

I will agree that there is alot that isn't needed but from what I've seen of the PunBB code its very linner and has had much though put into future development so making these things possible is going to take almost as much work as working on IC.

Re: [Adoross] phpBB / vBulletin discussion

You need to give the VLs ability to delete and sticky forums thts one of the worst things about the new forum if you ask me wink

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Re: [Adoross] phpBB / vBulletin discussion

Smartys face it: it's over between you and IC, leave her alone with her new boyfriend.

Re: [Adoross] phpBB / vBulletin discussion

*humples ARFeh*

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"User groups"
"User group promissions"
PunBB has this

"Custom promissions"
Not sure what this means

"Ability to split threads"
http://www.punres.org/desc.php?pid=187
Although I'll admit that's a decent feature which PunBB 1.2 lacks out of the box smile

"Posting as a sticky or announcment rather than posting and then setting"
Fair enough, although that's easy enough to add and one could argue how important such a feature really is wink

"Mod post approvel on forums"
Woah. How exactly does that fit with IC?

"Sub forums"
http://www.punres.org/desc.php?pid=105
Again, this is a feature PunBB lacks because of its attempts to remain lightweight

"Auto post read tracking, PunBB dosen't seem to realise when I've read a post. How can I track whats new when it keeps telling me everything is new."
http://www.punres.org/desc.php?pid=46
I'll admit that's a decent feature which PunBB 1.2 lacks out of the box smile

Personal opinion here: the ability to split threads (which IC has never supported), have sub forums (which IC has never supported), and have better unread tracking doesn't seem to justify switching forum software, writing a new style, converting topics/posts, writing new integration code, etc. You also haven't addressed the features IC doesn't use, like attachments, friend/foe lists, and private messaging.
I'm not dismissing phpBB because of some bias toward PunBB; I'm saying that switching forum software isn't a decision that should be made lightly. If there are issues with PunBB, the first decision shouldn't be "switch to phpBB": it should be to evaluate all of the possible options and choose the best one.

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Re: [Adoross] phpBB / vBulletin discussion

Smartys, quit it man.. The man has just started, don't crack him down cause Stefan didn't ask you.. Let's wait till he achieves something before we draw conclusions.

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Re: [Adoross] phpBB / vBulletin discussion

Whatever you say WFS roll

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Re: [Adoross] phpBB / vBulletin discussion

Ty, Wild Flower Soul and I am reading your views Smarty don't think I'm ignoring you but I have and iron will wink

Re: [Adoross] phpBB / vBulletin discussion

All hail Adoross our new overlord.

10 (edited by [RPA] El Bekko [Ben] 06-Aug-2009 23:11:32)

Re: [Adoross] phpBB / vBulletin discussion

> Adoross wrote:

> > User groups
> User group promissions
Got it.

> Custom promissions
Ehwutnow?

> Ability to split threads
Got it in 1.3 and 1.4.

> Posting as a sticky or announcment rather than posting and then setting
Oh teh noez, one extra click. For something that's hardly done, this is hardly an argument.

> Mod post approvel on forums
There are mods for this, but it's useless to put in the core since hardly anyone uses it and it just pisses users off.

> Sub forums
Since when have subforums ever been useful?


I forgot:
> Auto post read tracking, PunBB dosen't seem to realise when I've read a post. How can I track whats new when it keeps telling me everything is new.
1.3 and 1.4 have this. 1.2's system makes sense too, just needs a little bit of getting used to, and is a lot simpler.


Most of these things can be 'solved' by upgrading to 1.4 in the near future, when it's released.

Sincerely,
a current FluxBB developer

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Re: [Adoross] phpBB / vBulletin discussion

@[RPA] El Bekko [Ben]

So basicly your say we have what we need and what we don't have we can get by upgrading. Which is basicly what I said, the only difference between what you said and what I'm say is that your a FluxBB developer who likes PunBB/FluxBB and I just happen to like phpBB.

A difference in appinion that I am quite happy to accept but that Smartys dosen't seem to want to accept without me validating my oppinion. Something I do not feel I have or need to do. I have no problem with PunBB/FluxBB but simple stated that if we where to upgrade I would prefer to upgrade to phpBB or vBulliton as I am more fimilier with them.

It has however been decided that I'm going to be mod the current PunBB forum when I have the time wink

Re: [Adoross] phpBB / vBulletin discussion

I just don't see why you would even attempt to integrate phpBB or vBulletin with anything. Those monsters usually gobble everything up, not the other way around.
FluxBB/PunBB is quite perfectly suited for IC, as it doesn't have lots of unnecessary features that'll only slow down a server already crying under a badly written game. I'm sure there are alternatives, but I don't see phpBB and certainly not vBulletin as a viable replacement for the job.

I'd still like to know what you mean by 'custom permissions' though hmm

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Re: [Adoross] phpBB / vBulletin discussion

Simple reason to use something else: New glue code.


Duh.

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
Morbo: Hello, little man. I will destroy you!!

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14 (edited by Adoross 07-Aug-2009 00:38:59)

Re: [Adoross] phpBB / vBulletin discussion

@[RPA] El Bekko [Ben]

For each user and for each group for each forum you can either choose a permissions type or custom choose weather they:

User Permissions
Can attach files               
Can disable word censors            
Can download files            
Can save drafts            
Can use signature
Can change avatar               
Can change e-mail address            
Can change default usergroup            
Can change username            
Can change password            
Can view profiles, memberlist and online list
Can hide online status               
Can ignore flood limit            
Can search board            
Can send e-mails            
Can send instant messages            
Can view hidden online users
Can send messages to multiple users               
Can send messages to groups            
Can attach files in private messages            
Can post BBCode in private messages            
Can remove private messages from own folder            
Can download files in private messages            
Can edit own private messages            
Can e-mail private messages            
Can post Flash in private messages            
Can forward private messages            
Can post images in private messages            
Can print private messages            
Can post smilies in private messages            
Can read private messages            
Can send private messages

Mod Permissions
- Can approve posts
- Can change post author
- Can delete posts
- Can edit posts
- Can close and delete reports
- Can manage bans
- Can view post details
- Can issue warnings
- Can lock topics
- Can merge topics
- Can move topics
- Can split topics

Admin Permissions:
Can alter admin permission class               
Can alter permissions for individual groups            
Can alter permissions for individual users            
Can alter forum permission class            
Can alter moderator permission class            
Can manage roles            
Can use others permissions            
Can alter user permission class            
Can view permission masks
Can alter attachment related settings               
Can define BBCode tags            
Can alter topic/post icons and smilies            
Can alter word censors
Can backup/restore database               
Can manage bots            
Can clear logs            
Can send mass e-mail            
Can manage language packs            
Can manage modules            
Can manage report/denial reasons            
Can manage search backends and settings            
Can manage styles            
Can view logs
Can manage bans               
Can manage groups            
Can add new groups            
Can delete groups            
Can manage disallowed names            
Can manage custom profile fields            
Can manage ranks            
Can manage users           
Can delete/prune users
Can alter board settings/check for updates               
Can alter Jabber settings            
Can view php settings            
Can alter server/communication settings
Can manage forums               
Can add new forums            
Can delete forums            
Can prune forums

You are not restricted to, you are a user, you are a mod, you are an admin. So I would class that as custom permissions

Re: [Adoross] phpBB / vBulletin discussion

And guys for the record:

- phpBB has more holes then a rabbit farm.
- PunBB is the worst piece of %#&@ code i have ever seen.

The ideal solution would be to develop something from scratch, nicely written only conforming to
what the game needs.

Other then that though, it is obvious that the developer (Adoross) needs to be comfortable in
the software he is integrating. The personal preference of Smartys or El Bekko is so far irrelevant
its not funny.

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
Morbo: Hello, little man. I will destroy you!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE

Re: [Adoross] phpBB / vBulletin discussion

If we were to change the forum, we should go back to the old one.. It was simple, easy and oh so awesome to mod tongue

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Re: [Adoross] phpBB / vBulletin discussion

oh oh WFS, it seems you made your decision to soon? tongue


ps. Write a forum of your own. big_smile

Elrohir
"Abstract art is the product of the untalented, sold by the unprincipled to the utterly bewildered.."

18 (edited by Wild Flower Soul 07-Aug-2009 11:06:00)

Re: [Adoross] phpBB / vBulletin discussion

Yeah.. Very much so..
But who could expect that after nearly 10 years of IC, more or less 6 years of relative inactiveness and over a year of this poorly integrated forum Stefan would get a new, active and eager developper in? tongue

God: Behold ye angels, I have created the ass.. Throughout the ages to come men and women shall grab hold of these and shout my name...

Re: [Adoross] phpBB / vBulletin discussion

Now its just me and that bum undies =\

Elrohir
"Abstract art is the product of the untalented, sold by the unprincipled to the utterly bewildered.."

Re: [Adoross] phpBB / vBulletin discussion

Both inactive!

God: Behold ye angels, I have created the ass.. Throughout the ages to come men and women shall grab hold of these and shout my name...

Re: [Adoross] phpBB / vBulletin discussion

Only when I choose to be!

Elrohir
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Re: [Adoross] phpBB / vBulletin discussion

More like knob jockey.

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
Morbo: Hello, little man. I will destroy you!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE