Topic: Honor our Veterans

I have seen a nasty trend in Democrats acting as 'moderates', RINO's and in other factions of liberalism.

This comes as a complaint that our soldiers and veterans ask for to much, that we are unwilling to cut back for them (and myself since I am a veteran) and that how dare any cuts happen unless it involves veterans as well.

There are 5 occupations where you put your life on the line; Soldier, Firefighter, Police Officer, Spy/intelligence personnel, and Security Officers. Of this two are Federal Responsibilities, two are city, county, and State responsibilities, and the last is one for a variety of sources including companies.

The Firemen and Police have expectations that they may come into harms way at any given time, but that this is mitigated and the odds are reduced greatly that they shall be hurt or die. Still if they are they are guaranteed (commonly) medical costs are paid, a life insurance payout, and the likes.

Ommitting the other two, soldiers are told they will do what they are told to do. They will be sent at a moments notice directly into harms way. Additionally every soldier recognizes the ability of politicians, news media, and of lawyers to increase the risk of danger to them. Where a police officer fears bullets, knives and needles, and a fireman fears exploding gas and fire in general, a soldier must fear all that and more. Bombs, attack dogs, artillery, grenades, etc.

In exchange for their duties we have offered for a hellava long time benefits ranging from schooling, to house buying assistance, to retirement benefits, and especially medical benefits if they are injured. Retirees get somewhat more with benefits for immediate family as well, shopping privileges, and the likes.

In our coming days I predict that when we start talking of cuts, the liberals in sheeps clothing shall be demanding, as they see they are going to lose, that veterans benefits be cut as well.

Indeed they have been cut many times, starting with Clinton, when I got out he cut a program that would have retrained me (I was in the infantry) and made other substantial cuts. George W. Bush did cuts, but not that hurt us. Obama however is doing hurtful cuts, but slowly, since he got bit hard for his effort to cripple us in one go.

Now before I move on let me talk of Bush's cuts. The VA medical system is tops, the Army hospital system is the one in life support. Go into a VA hospital and you will find 100% electronic medical records, state of the art equipment, and more. All without a budget increase either.

How could they do this you ask? Well the issue is the soldiers of WWI, then WWII all started dying.In fact Korean war veterans are soon to start passing in ever increasing numbers as well. This has greatly lightened the load for the VA hospital system and has allowed them to update to tremendous levels. While they still have flaws of rejecting some veterans for help, and customer service issues, their infrastructure is very top quality.

Bush looked at this and said "you have money but you spend it now wastefully, you are able to add but only at huge costs for little return. This money can work elsewhere". I am paraphrasing of course. These cuts did not harm veterans at all, and was in line with Conservative values. I agree with this move.

Now in an era of declining net costs we can look through history and say "we have afforded without hardship this duty, why should we suddenly think it is a hardship?"

The answer is of course that Democrats want to hurt those they despise, and gain for it.


I am barely worthy of the title veteran, there are those, like my old history teacher (A member of the Chosun Few) who I would lie down on the ground so as to let them walk on me and not get their feet muddy. Imagine this man was there when the Korean war started, at the front lines, was forced back and fought the whole way to the end of the penisula, sometimes wondering how many days it would be til his next meal, hoping to find a few more bullets, he fought that way til MacArthur stormed the beaches, then he fought again, this time at the spearhead of the southern forces, he slogged his way all the way up to the Chinese Border.

Then the Chinese attacked, a human wave. His quiet talk of it was that there were so many Chinese the machine guns ran out of ammunition, combat was often hand to hand as we had run out of ammunition, and they mostly were not armed properly. Those very quiet words tell a story of horrors and of heroism beyond any measure I have accomplished! He saw an ambulance show up during the fighting... it had spread elsewhere, and start loading the wounded. A Chinese patrol would come and kill them all, the medic hiding in the mud. He would start again, and they would return. Finally he gave up, loaded all the dead he could and drove off.

My teacher then fought his way through to our lines, and fought southwards to the area now called the DMZ. He got sniper duty for a while, and fought along the moving line til peace was signed.


This is one story in millions. How can we treat our veterans, especially our combat veterans with anything beyond awe? Yet they are despised, spit upon, even beaten for their views.

Prejudice against our soldiers exists as high as modern day racism against blacks, yet our Democrats seek to not just leave them out of protections, but to instead kick them while they are down with these planned actions against them, nay against us.

So I say, when you hear someone say "Veterans must also take cuts" consider them a RINO or a Democrat, perhaps a liberal wearing another title, but they are of that despicable unthinking, uncaring, greedy bunch.

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> Einstein wrote:

> There are 5 occupations where you put your life on the line; Soldier, Firefighter, Police Officer, Spy/intelligence personnel, and Security Officers. Of this two are Federal Responsibilities, two are city, county, and State responsibilities, and the last is one for a variety of sources including companies.


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I stand corrected, very well and miners.

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last I heard they were expanding veteran benefits. ^.^

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...When was that? The last news item I saw concerning veterans was Obama proposing to cut their benefits substancially. He didn't seek to pass such legislation after the backlash he got when he proposed it, but it's not a matter of opinion that he proposed doing so.

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Did anyone every ask specifically what was being proposed to being cut? I know they were trying to streamline some of the agencies involved with veteran benefits.

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Yes the Veterans Groups were told what was going to happen, then we made such an uproar as to startle them Democrats and make them proverbially piss their pants. The backpedal must rate in the top 10 for sure, and the media has not followed through cause they know this would add 35 points to Republicans on the spot.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/17/obama.veterans/

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2009/05/08/obama-cut-slain-officers-benefits-half-wheres-media-outrage

http://www.nytimes.com/1986/04/01/us/veterans-benefits-are-being-cut.html

http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2009/mar/19/contemptuous-of-their-service-obama-proposal-of


You had to hide under a rock to miss that one Lizon, or just deliberately playing the RINO again.

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7. Trawlermen

tweehonderd graden, dat is waarom ze me mr. fahrenheit noemen, ik reis aan de snelheid van het licht, ik ga een supersonische man van u maken

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8. Lumberjacks

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trawlermen and lumberjacks are not, not if they are thinking right, just like highway construction workers, and such.

The risk is so minimal in those proffessions. I mean you wanna go extreme go ice road trucking.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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9. Civil rights activists in dodgy countries.

10. Politicians to an extent.

I'm sure the list goes on.

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"You had to hide under a rock to miss that one Lizon, or just deliberately playing the RINO again."

Actually I didn't hear anything about it to begin with. I knew about them expanding some of the benefits and I heard rumors about consolidating agencies. I think having the VA be accountable for everything shouldn't be something we support (makes it no better than universal health care), at the same time their benefits need to be secured. It's a slippery slope this one. I would have liked to see exactly what they were looking to cut, but news agencies and blogs usually omit that information.

I know in the 90's there was talk about the VA taking over some of the medicare benefits because they did a better job at reducing cost of treatment.

And I don't hide under rocks flint, when I genially don't know about something I really don't know! If only you yourself would act int he same manor. ^.^

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they are now expanding benefits.  They previously floated the trial balloon that vets would have to use private insurance for service related injuries.  It's to Obama's minimal credit that he killed the idea, though a good President would never have entertained the idea...and Obama dares smear Bush for not spending enough on vets.

To their everlasting damnation Adm. Muller the Chairman of the JCS and Defense Secy Gates were on board for it. 

Colin Powell had nothing to say about it...oddly enough, he only comes out when Republicans do something he doesn't like...

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you see that's the stuff that I heard about, the new expanded benefit package. I must have missed the previous drama.

I wish Colin had run for President, i would have voted for him in a heartbeat.

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15 (edited by avogadro 23-May-2009 23:30:38)

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arent like crab fishing and lumber jacking the two most dangerous jobs?

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I'm voting for Lizon when he turns 35.

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lawyers, they're sacrificing their souls

Yes, you're special. Just like everyone else.

18 (edited by Lizon 23-May-2009 23:43:53)

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"lawyers, they're sacrificing their souls"

I thought all lawyers did that...:p

"I'm voting for Lizon when he turns 35."

lmao.......I don't think I could handle it, I would walk into the capital building during the state of the union, point at all the congressman/women and senators, and say "your all jackasses". ^.^

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19 (edited by Chris_Balsz 24-May-2009 00:43:17)

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Half would sit there and half would give a standing ovation

Apparently Colin Powell will go on TV tomorrow to speak his mind, I hope he does run and gets blown away.

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If I were to enter... woo...

I would invite wrestlers and offer some higher ranked dems if they wanted to experience how wrestlers fake many moves... then laugh as the real ones were done yikes

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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toss in the dittohead republicans while your at it, and the independents, just toss them all in there and make everybody happy.

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I can't think of one damn thing Republicans want that Colin Powell wants, mainly because colin powell hasn't named one.  He wants abortion legal, higher taxes, bigger government, an idle military, and Barack Obama in the White House. 

I want lower taxes, less government, a ban on socialism, abortion outlawed, ass kicked overseas, and some decent hardline conservative as president.  I guess I should join the Communist party and piss in their beer.

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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If I were president, my motto would be "I'm here to maximize America's power." Likewise, I would enforce a monopoly on nuclear technology for the status quo, and topple any third world country that challenged it. Furthermore, any country in America's periphery (Central/South America) that tried to disrupt the balance of power by being too close to Russia and China would also have their governments toppled.

Otherwise, abortion would remain legal, government would become more efficient and relax regulations on the economy (resulting with lower taxes), meritocratic reforms would be instituted such as the outlawing of affirmative action and limiting immigrants to those that speak English and have a desired skill (America would deny all refugees), and only pay attention to those calls for social reform if the issue is serious or has a net benefit. This means gay marriage and so on would be dismissed as frivolous issues not worth the effort.

Lastly, I would tell the religious reformers to piss off. I would ban abstinence education, guarantee the status quo on abortion, and also guarantee the status quo on the separation of church and state (although its possible I would make some minor secular reforms).

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I want to put some bombers in high altitude patrols over N. Korea and get Kim on the phone and tell him "just give me one reason to blow you to the stone age, oh please please please give me a reason". The idiot is severely mentally unstable.

Fear not the Darkness, for without it there is no Light. Embrace the Light, for it brings forth Darkness. Embrace both, to embrace the gift of Life. ~Kai Master Creed
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Re: Honor our Veterans

> Einstein wrote:

> trawlermen and lumberjacks are not, not if they are thinking right, just like highway construction workers, and such.

The risk is so minimal in those proffessions. I mean you wanna go extreme go ice road trucking.

go read a book ffs