Topic: Elitism results from the Democratic Party

Yup, it's true.

The Democrats won't dare challenge the mega rich. But they love their paternalistic programs, and in order to fund them they need to drop the hammer on the upper middle class (the people who make $75-200,000 a year and may have $5 million in savings). This class consists of working professionals and investors. Nancy Pelosi may argue that American's won't stand for a person inheriting a $million without heavy taxes, but at the same time she isn't going to take the same stance for someone inheriting a $billion. No the mega rich can't be taxed!

This demagoguery does one very important thing, it eliminates competition for the mega rich. The Democrats are in league with America's elite I tell you! Their paternalistic programs moreover are intended to make people dependent on them, and their rhetoric about supporting the people and fighting the rich is all a scam.

Re: Elitism results from the Democratic Party

Aren't the republicans also in league with the US elite?

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The Media Elite, Hollywood (for the most part), Rockefellers, Kennedys, and now Bill Gates.......

Hardly a Republicn there.

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aha ha ha, come on, anybody can make a list like that, ok, here's mine

The Media Elite, the Bush family, Alan Greenspan, etc, hardly a democrat there

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Most people know that the democrats and the republicans and both right wing parties, with the republicans being a bit more to the right.

USA is probably the only country (with more then 1 party) where all the real parties (2 in this case) are both so similar that you could probably merge them together and not see a big difference. But ofc they need 2 of them to be able to say "we are democratic".

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The Dragon Agh wrote:
"USA is probably the only country (with more then 1 party) where all the real parties (2 in this case) are both so similar that you could probably merge them together and not see a big difference. But ofc they need 2 of them to be able to say "we are democratic"."

That is completely false.  The Democrat and Republican Parties are formed by people of completely different moral and philosophical views. Granted i understand your point that democrats are more to the right than what European groups would consider leftist.  But over the years America has realized those leftist principals do not work so the parties drifted towards the right while still maintaining core values.  Still their fiscal and moral policies differ greatly.

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USA is probably the only country (with more then 1 party) where all the real parties (2 in this case) are both so similar that you could probably merge them together and not see a big difference. But ofc they need 2 of them to be able to say "we are democratic"."

yeah, other countries use more then 2 parties to create much more elaborate lies to make them appear democratic.

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@avo

lol... americans are so patriotic when it comes to their system of government and they don't realise that a parliamental democracy is more balanced and more democratic than a presidental one. more than two parties are a good because than more then 2 views are represented. look at how many different groups you have inside your 2 parties. Libertarians, conservative democrats, neo-conservatives, liberals, socialists, centrists etc... in a multi party system it is also easier for a totally new party to make it big.

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The problem with a parliamentary system is that when so many people representing so many deferent views and morals each with their own agenda come together they do nothing but squabble among themselves. The system never takes the initiative to do anything because its incapable of doing so. We can look at history to prove this. In the beginning of WWII England's Parliament was split over the crucial decision of action or in-action.  They had to turn to a single person, as a source of leadership, to confront the challenges the world had presented.

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None of you get it. America is a plutocracy. The Democrats are just more brilliant at serving that end while looking good.

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lol... americans are so patriotic when it comes to their system of government and they don't realise that a parliamental democracy is more balanced and more democratic than a presidental one. more than two parties are a good because than more then 2 views are represented. look at how many different groups you have inside your 2 parties. Libertarians, conservative democrats, neo-conservatives, liberals, socialists, centrists etc... in a multi party system it is also easier for a totally new party to make it big."

i dont know about other americans but to me, "more democratic" isnt a complement. democracies are mob rule. mob rule is not a good thing in my opinion, and parliamentary systems and systems with more then 2 parties are more likely to be victims to mob rule.

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"None of you get it. America is a plutocracy. The Democrats are just more brilliant at serving that end while looking good."

i agree with America being a plutocracy, but i disagree with the democrats doing a better job then the republicans at looking good; theres a reason why despite Bush's horrid job as president, he won a 2nd term.

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@avo

so you would have have a multi
-party system where actually 1 party rules as we see in russia?

"Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered
automatic weapons."-General Douglas MacArthur
"Cluster bombing from B-52s are very, very, accurate. The bombs are guaranteed
to always hit the ground."-USAF Ammo Troop

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mob rule = a large group of people, a mob, decides whats best for everyone
a multi = a small group of people decides whats best for everyone


i dont see an improvement going from one to the other.

i would have a federation with very tiny self governing states. that would mean a small group of individuals deciding whats best for them and no one else. i

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avo didn't say anything about economies.

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"avo didn't say anything about economies."

are you telling me you actually understood skoe's last post?

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...He's accusing you of being a Communist?

but then again I could be totally off track.

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Skoe is actually a communist.

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You Euro-Socialists are so far left, anything to you all is "Right-Wing."

The Democrats are doing their best to look like you all.....
/me wonders why ??

Republicans seem to be doing their best to look like Democrats.


@ Belhaven Beast
you write:

"aha ha ha, come on, anybody can make a list like that, ok, here's mine

The Media Elite, the Bush family, Alan Greenspan, etc, hardly a democrat there"


ROFL..........Yea, the Bush family make my point of Republicans trying to look like Democrats.
Alan Greenspan ???

HEHE.......thanks, you almost make my point ever clearer.

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The elitism of the Democratic party is evident in its use of super delegates when choosing their party nominee.  That system doesnt allow the candidate to be chosen by the vote of the people but rather the votes of a few select trustees.

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In matters of principle, stand like a rock.
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To me the american "democratic" system is extremely flawed.
First of as I said, they have two very (yea they are) similar parties, not that they have the exact same views, but their goal is more or less to make the very rich people richer.
Secondly their goal isnt to benefit the larger population, but to benefit their benefiters (the ones paying for their campaigns and so on). Or to say it like it is, the ones that bribes them, meaning the companies.
Thirdly, the people doesnt even trust the government to do what a government is supposed to do: govern the people and represent them. Which is an enormous flaw in the system. And with two (bribed) parties to chose from and news networks that often are owned by the two parties and in other cases doesnt want to be unpatriotic, they make sure that the people doesnt know anyone else to vote for...

A big failure in my eyes.

Ah and of course the parties themselves doesnt rule the country in the end, but one person from one of the two parties (to a large extent).


Put in a few more parties, have them get the same amount of tv time, and skip the countrywide "election of president candidate" (thats really up to the party who can represent them the best...), ah and ofc make the bribery of the candidates and parties illegal. That would make it good I think smile

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They are still both right wing parties. They get cash from the rich companies and people who wants stuff in return from them...

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right wing is subjective. someone could argue they're both left wing parties. the cash the parties get is very much limited inorder to make it so that rich people cant give that much money to the parties.

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@ Dragon,
To be blunt.
Your view of American Politics is completely off the mark.  I believe your Euro-socialist, Anti-American leaning is skewing your ability to be objective.

Educate yourself. 

Better yet, Why dont you ASK questions of us Americans here, instead of just assuming your nonsense.

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Theyre both a lot more right wing than the UK's parties smile The "right-wing" conservative party over here is fairly left wing as they're too scared to do anything that might cause disagreement (hence their weak campaigns that rely on jumping on bandwagons). We have two corrupt left-wing parties regulated and consequently weakened by parliament; the USA has two fairly right-wing parties regulated only by the interests of their sponsors.

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