Topic: The US has NO compassion

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7912538.stm

Hardley the right punishment... This guy could face up to 70 years in jail and for what...... He hardley even comitted a crime he was an ill guy that was obsessed with UFOs give him a break

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3 (edited by Chris_Balsz 26-Feb-2009 18:00:47)

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tell you what, if he personally apologizes to the Marines whose pay he f'kd up for 24 hours, and then promises not to sue for the stomping they give him, we'll call it even

or make him paint that girl's classroom for her and fix the roof

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Given the climate in the US surrounding national security for the past 10 years, he shouldn't be extradited. He wouldn't receive a fair trial.

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5 (edited by Chris_Balsz 26-Feb-2009 18:42:43)

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whatever, at least we HAVE trials, Britain seems hell-bent on catch and release with a caution.

In a CIVILIZED country, the likelihood of a suicide attempt is no excuse at all...

Time for CIA to resume assassination in Britain

uh I mean start that for the first time ever

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6 (edited by Elrohir 01-Mar-2009 11:59:40)

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Hey he [JINGOOOO'd] up pay for 24 hours JAIL HIM FOR 70 YEARS AND GET HIM EXTRADITED.... Yeah you make your country look real nice smile

And yeah a sucide attempt is a problem.. The guy is not well and hes being made a scape goat by the USA.

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they should be happy that he broke into their systems instead of someone with real malicious interest. that way they were able to fix the hole...

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8 (edited by Chris_Balsz 26-Feb-2009 21:01:29)

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Well chalk up another example of how bad the BBC can be

http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/cyberlaw/usmck1102vaind.pdf

This cretin hacked NINTETY-SIX computers in FOURTEEN STATES and the District of Columbia, installing his own remote-control software for PERMANENT access, giving himself admin status, and DELETING DATA FILES.

Quite a harmless little spree

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Seriously, yell, past a certain point, it makes no difference how many charges you bring up if the charges are serious enough.  The Oklahoma City bombers were charged with 6 murders.  Pretty much, when you've got solid evidence for a couple penalties that together add up to a life sentence, you don't need to get him another 60 life sentences, unless you buy into reincarnation.

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10 (edited by Chris_Balsz 26-Feb-2009 21:21:24)

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And you all frickin BITCH about Pirate Day! DAM--erp its Lent. Peace be with you

1 other thing this guy seems hellbent on getting away with stuff he's admitted doing.  If he'd tried to get a plea deal in 2003 I can't imagine him getting more than a fine, or possibly a token 1 year for every count--which would be up by now.  Instead he has fought every step of the way.  I bet he could get over here and still fight it out in trial.  That would take another two years.  WTF does he think you can do that and not get hit with anything?  or that the initiative for a plea is with the federal government?  He had powerful leverage in 2003--promising not to spend 6 years fighting extradition.  He pissed it away for nothing.

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

11 (edited by Elrohir 01-Mar-2009 12:02:03)

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Why should he not fight it?

He clearly could of done alot worse than he did.... And he did not shouldnt ur Goverment be happy he did not start selling secrets or getting ppl acess that wanted to do damage.. Instead they scapegoat this guy.. Yeah i think he should be punished he broke the law and probably knew he was breaking it.. I think its just very harsh the lengths the USA are going too.. Its like they are saying dont [schnitzel] with us or this will happen.. Its got Bush stamped all over it if u ask me.. You really think this guy should get the book thrown at him.. I dont think so and if u do ur as crazy as the ppl that are allowing this to happen

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If it has Bush written all over him, how come the article was written today?  wink

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It has been going on for sometime smile

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But... it would be ended now if it "Had Bush written all over it."  Example: Gitmo?  tongue

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15 (edited by Elrohir 01-Mar-2009 12:03:11)

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>>He clearly could of done alot worse than he did.... And he did not shouldnt ur Goverment be happy he did not start selling secrets or getting ppl acess that wanted to do damage<<

Then he'd squat for life in Supermax, the top federal security prison that is tougher than the punishment block at Gitmo (Gitmo prisoners get to yell).  He landed a moderate charge for what he did.

>>. Instead they scapegoat this guy..<<

He said he did it.  How is a guy who confessed a scapegoat.

>>Yeah i think he should be punished he broke the law and probably knew he was breaking it.. I think its just very harsh the lengths the USA are going too.. Its like they are saying dont [schnitzel] with us or this will happen<<

That's a function of our criminal law.  I bet any Brit who thought about changing all the names in the Social Security database to "Bush Sucks" will back off.  Hey you know what? DON'T PISS ON FEDERAL DATABASES. Giving yourself admin status and implanting a bug to let you come back anytime...Jesus! You hack the [POOFING] United States Army?

>>Its got Bush stamped all over it if u ask me..<<

More like Richard Clarke, the heroic critic of Bush who wrote a memo in April 2001 saying 'watchout for al Qaeda (and spend money on it in 2002, but forget that part! he's a visionary!!!)' who got kicked down to Cyberterror Czar.  This hacking crap is what he warned the 9/11 Commission was our greatest vulnerability. 

>>You really think this guy should get the book thrown at him..<<

No, I said a fine would do.  This is reportedly the largest hack of US govt systems ever, so it has to set a precedent in how we handle it.  And that has to more than a slap on the wrist.  that guy who put 30 weather balloons on a lawn chair and flew at 40,000 feet for 2 hours got a $150,000 fine, and that stopped all wannabes, so I'd settle for that.   If found guilty on all counts he'd be liable for $1.25 million if not prison time.

>> I dont think so and if u do ur as crazy as the ppl that are allowing this to happen<<

hmm he might have a good argument on 5 of the 6.  Saying that repeat offences become a felony if the combined damage is over $5000 may be a stretch of law.  They might be able insist he get charged with 95 misdemeanor counts and 1 felony.

But he's guilty...so....

Look here's how our system views it.  Whats the worst type of criminal?  A crook who knows he's guilty, runs from the law, fights the process every step of the way, drags everything out, insists he isn't sorry and will probably do it again.  That guy oughta have the book thrown at him, right?

So a guy who knows he's guilty, runs from the law, but surrenders and cooperates as far as letting the trial go forward without busting chairs and appealing every ruling, he shouldn't get the book thrown at him, right? The system ought to encourage people not being the worst crook you can be.

And a guy who knows he's guilty, says he's sorry, surrenders to the indictment, gets a lawyer and seeks a plea deal, he deserves some real consideration.

With our crowded prisons and the cost of incarceration, then, who goes home early and who might not get sent in?

Now what is jerko doing? He tells newpapers he did it, but so what, he's fought extradition for 6 years, he made his case a diplomatic issue, he's got the BBC making incorrect reports about American laws, he promises to fight it in American court if he's thrown over here, he's making suicide threats...he's a brown starfish and he's gonna do hard time.  He didn't have to but he worked it that way.

Messed up...well maybe you don't screw with us?  Don't have sex on the beach in Dubai, and don't hack as admin on US servers.

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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> Messed up...well maybe you don't screw with us?  Don't have sex on the
> beach in Dubai, and don't hack as admin on US servers.

So if some crazed conspiracy American hacked into Chinese computers and compromised their security -- you would be all for handing over one of your citizens to that big red army?

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actually I wouldn't, I WANT a policy of hostility towards China.

But since this Administration publicly says China and the US rise or fall together, if he were handed over without being tried in US courts TOO, that would be a lucky break.

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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Screw with you? Thats exactly what this is about DO NOT SCREW WITH THE USA....I think the USA needs reminding not to try and be the worlds police all of the time... And really how shitty are your database files if some guy trying to find out about UFOs got in... Seriously you guys need a security update.  Fact of the matter is i think this guy should not be extradited and maybe he should get a fine or maybe about 5 years inprisonment. Anything over that is over the top

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19 (edited by Chris_Balsz 28-Feb-2009 19:11:54)

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I think we can police Army and Navy bases in Maryland, Virginia, DC, Illinois, Utah and nine other states

But I think he would get just a fine if he traded for it by waiving extradition and pleading guilty--and you are able to do that in advance.

Btw speaking of "no Compassion" I hope he got the UFO bug out of his system. If he hacks a Russian computer he won't need a light bulb in the bathroom, his pee will glow in the dark

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

20 (edited by ..Nemeara.. 28-Feb-2009 22:27:44)

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no one mentioned he has Aspergers  tongue?

till the end of time..

21 (edited by Justinian I 28-Feb-2009 22:52:44)

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So what if he has Asperger's syndrome? Due to his own intent and illegal means to satisfy them, he committed a serious crime and caused a great deal of property damage. He broke the law, and he will be punished for it. The law is the law. Compassion is for the weak.

Edit: btw, I am positive Yell has Aspies. Flint too maybe.

22 (edited by Chris_Balsz 28-Feb-2009 22:59:37)

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"Standard diagnostic criteria require impairment in social interaction, and repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behavior, activities and interests, without significant delay in language or cognitive development. Unlike the international standard,[8] U.S. criteria also require significant impairment in day-to-day functioning.[15] Other sets of diagnostic criteria have been proposed by Szatmari et al.[52] and by Gillberg and Gillberg.[53]

Diagnosis is most commonly made between the ages of four and eleven.[1] A comprehensive assessment involves a multidisciplinary team[2][6][54] that observes across multiple settings,[1] and includes neurological and genetic assessment as well as tests for cognition, psychomotor function, verbal and nonverbal strengths and weaknesses, style of learning, and skills for independent living.[6] The current "gold standard" in diagnosing ASDs combines clinical judgment with the Autism Diagnostic Interview-Revised (ADI-R)

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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Yeah Yell, now go get tested!

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> Frenzy wrote:

> Spaz? Your a clown.. Maybe its not a get out of jail card but its a valid point... How about the US soldier boy that got found guilty of killing people in Iraq and then tried to say he had some sort of stress disorder.. And he will get less jail time then someone hacking into a Database. Taking someones life is easy these days huh smile>

It's a problem with the prior case than with the way this case is being handled. The man should have been executed, mental disorder is not an excuse.

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Solider boy?


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