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Re: Should the Crisis Shake Our Faith in the Market?

listen, i hate all forms of organized governance or economy.  its human nature to want more at the expense of everything else and that hurts everyone.  free market, socialism, command economy, it doesnt matter, when people just take more and more and never give back, it leads to a downfall.  you're talking about "the state" and "individual citizens" and thats really cute in a high school kinda way but you're holding the picture 2 inches from your face and not realizing that its actually 30 feet long.  i dont support a "centralized hierarchy of power with a monopoly on violence called government" and your von Mises quote is again quite cute but outdated and silly.  sure the free market serves everyone involved when implemented correctly, but lets just step back and look at the implementation. look at the wealth distribution in the united states, look at the levels of education.  both figures are quite pathetic and while your high minded armchair philosophy may espouse some neat sounding nonsense, the fact of the matter is that it's just that, armchair nonsense.  throw out some valid, applicable points of view and i'll hear you out, go on quoting "human action" or other slanted views such as "atlas shrugged" then go ahead and talk to a wall, because nobody likes listening to those who do nothing but pontificate.

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Even though you were the first one to arrive at the scene who clearly pwned Einstein and showed how biased he is, you are an outright arsehole.

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Your post is very enlightening of your misunderstanding of what the free market actually is, and sadly it is an all too common perception. It is not something to be "implemented", and mentioning the wealth distribution or level of education in the United States is not even germaine to the argument. Neither "wealth distribution" or American education has been determined by market factors (at least not since the very inception of the nation). Wealth distribution is not according to the fruit of one's labor or per contract, but what the government chooses to give and take. Wealth is not merely distributed, it's robbed and then re-distributed. It's a mass, extortionist shell game played by bureaucrats. I do not espouse American capitalism, I posit the only true economics: pure, unadulterated, laissez-faire market anarchy. Not some Randian minarchist pipedream, not some Mom & Pop American dream fairy tale, much less a vision of chaos, lawlessness, and disorder. Quite the contrary, under government, we /are/ living in chaos.

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28 Reply by Justinian I (edited by Justinian I 01-Jan-2009 01:56:07)

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Acolyte,

Has such a system ever been empirically tested? I may be more inclined to support the extreme if such a system was actually practiced with success. Just saying we get in to trouble whenever we say "Hey check this new grand plan with all these benefits! Theoretically it should work! Now lets implement it!"

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Justinian; thats like asking if equality has been tested. no, because if you get close to it, your definition of what it is becomes more strict. its an ideology, it cant be achieved.

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AVOO yikes

respond to my post pleaseee.. i dont wanna leave this un-finished

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31 Reply by Justinian I (edited by Justinian I 01-Jan-2009 08:06:02)

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> avogadro wrote:

> Justinian; thats like asking if equality has been tested. no, because if you get close to it, your definition of what it is becomes more strict. its an ideology, it cant be achieved.>>

Yeah, well it's still a good policy to rely on theories that have a good track record on the macro scale, and limit the radically new ones to the micro scale.

And I think you will find that, in political history, equality has been gradual. Little increments here and there lead to more bolder levels. The radical changes in a short period of time also tended to lead to disaster.

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32 Reply by avogadro (edited by Gwynedd 02-Jan-2009 00:33:43)

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> avo, your last post doesn't really make sense to me tongue

so let's go at it this way...

..i'm curious, i think(like me) you realize that there is something wrong and that we are in hot water
so now i want to know what you think really happened.. how did we get where we are
how did some of the biggest banks collapse, what do you think really happened(try to start from the begining) because i think you've been falsely led by the media(those bastards tongue) and i think you have a mis-understanding of the core problem, as it seems like you believe the housing crisis is the "Crisis" which i previously thought before I did my own research and shut off my TV tongue

so please try to make me undesrand what you think and why you think the blame should fall on the liberals or the liberal leaders




1. i have said time and time again its a credit crisis, yet, because you're such a dumbass, you keep saying i think the only crisis is the housing crisis, learn to [w00f!] read, you worthless [w00f!].

2. it doesnt surprise me that my posts dont make sense to you.

3. i dont watch TV news

4. i dont watch/listen/read any media news outside of local news.

5. what makes you so confident that your sources are more credible then others?



there, i responded to your pathetic excuse of a post for you. [w00f!]

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> Justinian I wrote:

> > avogadro wrote:

> Justinian; thats like asking if equality has been tested. no, because if you get close to it, your definition of what it is becomes more strict. its an ideology, it cant be achieved.>>

Yeah, well it's still a good policy to rely on theories that have a good track record on the macro scale, and limit the radically new ones to the micro scale.

And I think you will find that, in political history, equality has been gradual. Little increments here and there lead to more bolder levels. The radical changes in a short period of time also tended to lead to disaster.


it is, and low government interference has much more of a track record then any other.

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[avogadro, watch your language and your trolling.]

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35 Reply by avogadro (edited by avogadro 02-Jan-2009 02:15:37)

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i dont see how any of my language was inappropriate and i dont see how im trolling when he'd begging me to respond to his post. if you have a problem, discuss it with me in irc, dont be inconsiderate of all the people that read these forums by disrupting the forums.

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WOOOO WOO WOO

avo, calm down there..i thought i did all i could to make sure the conversation remained muture and not an argument tongue

i'm simply asking you to tell me what you think happened..thats it, could you please?
because in all seriousness I want to know what kind of misconceptions are out there(it might not be a misconception, it might just be a mis-understanding on my part)

My source is my research for an assignment i helped someone out with on this issue, i used multiple websites that all stated simple facts, my main source was a website i posted of in another thread i made a while back..

but anyways avo, please when you find it convenient reply with what you think happened that led to the fall of banks and the credit crisis

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37 Reply by avogadro (edited by avogadro 02-Jan-2009 02:22:03)

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i have already explained it in this thread, you didnt understand it, i cant think of a way to make it simpler for you to understand. you're out of luck

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38 Reply by Gladiator (edited by Gladiator 02-Jan-2009 02:46:26)

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ughh, maybe i missed it which post are you reffering to?




wait read all your posts

is this what you are reffering to "liberals pushing banks to give credit to people" ?
if that's what you meant lol
that's too vague avo, way too vague tongue

i really wanna know how exactly you think, lets say Lehman Borthers or AIG or any Investment bank went bankrupt, and how did so many investors loose their confidence, and how did banks basically run out of money

and i looked over all your posts, and didn't find the answer in any of your posts
i posted what i know to be true and what happened, in other posts(but i'm preety sure i deleted those)

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aco, my post wasnt about free market economy jackass, i just used it as an example.  i know full well what it is but why start splitting hairs when i can just use it as an example. sheesh, dildo.

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Even though you were the first one to arrive at the scene who clearly pwned Einstein and showed how biased he is, you are an outright arsehole.

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oh.. avoo (echo..echoo..echoo)
Avvoooo

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