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Don't you have to take into account the differing populations? What is a high murder rate for Honduras may just be attributed to their lower population. You can't really compare a country with the population of the US to a country with a significantly lower population.  It's a dice pool people. Odds are you are going to get more hits out of pool of 10 then you will out of a pool of 3. Law of averages. Seriously. You guys are all nerds here. This should send up a red flag for you.

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From the countries listed puppet, thats not really an issue - Honduras has a pop of 7mill ish, swaziland about 1mill, and lesotho about 2mill. Sure, if we're talking about a country with a population of 50..like the Pitcairn Islands tongue..and someone is murdered one year..technically they'll have a murder rate of 2000 per 100k...but i dont think that would be considered eligible for any statistics.

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I think he means countries in relative peace, not a civil war

Not many people know this, but I own the first radio in Springfield. Not much on the air then, just Edison reciting the alphabet over and over. "A" he'd say; then "B." "C" would usually follow...

29 (edited by Pixies 03-Dec-2008 21:13:34)

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Really? :s Where'd you pull that from?

Anyway. There have been no civil wars or conflicts like that in the last 10 years in Honduras, RSA, swaziland or lesotho...they're just hostile places to live. /me pulls out a source of sorts:

http://www.homemade-atlas.org/hwa2008_22.jpg/hwa2008_22-full;init:.jpg

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30 (edited by Theodora 03-Dec-2008 22:55:29)

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See but if the guards at Wal-Mart had guns, they could have pulled out their shotguns/uzis and started beaning the tramplers, causing them to stop tramlpling....saving the employee underneath!

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31 (edited by A10 03-Dec-2008 23:58:12)

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Ok like all politics threads, they turn into a big joke.

Rather then wasting my time on even a semi-decent post, I'm just going to post this link.

http://www.wmsa.net/pubs/reason/reason_nov02_crime_in_uk.htm


EDIT:

Seems I'm angry today :'(

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"Fighting back was not an option"

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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i place the blame on wal-mart!! Wal-Mart = satan.

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee!!

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Don't forget that the primary goal of the second amendment is much different than simply protecting against homicidal maniacs.  The original idea was that accessibility to firearms allowed the citizens to essentially be able to overthrow a government in the case that it abandons democracy.

Essentially, the individual right to bear arms (and the right of states to maintain a militia) is meant to ensure the federal government doesn't have a monopoly on the use of force in a nation.  However, with the National Guard increasingly integrated into the federal government, the role of the 2nd Amendment is increasingly important because, assuming the government became tyrannical, there would be no other check against its actions.

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This UK anti gun thing is very interesting. The English BOR grants the individual right to bear arms. Why then would the UK's ban on handguns be considered legal? What is it in UK society that has lead to people being willing to give up their rights?

And the whole "The USA should seriously rethink their Second(?) Amendment" thing is funny because we got it from you! Our BOR is modeled off of yours.

What it comes down to is the differing ideologies in the US and the UK. Socialist pressures in europe have lead to this dangerous "trust government"  and the really dangerous "trust society" attitudes. Trusing society implies that there is now need to bear arms because it's every citizens duty to respect the law. This assumtion that everything is going to be alright is lunacy. If every citizen was going to trust the law, then no one would have dared to use a handgun to commit a crime. But if society was to be trusted and no one was going to commit any crimes, there would have been no need to ban handguns in the first place.

Now trusting a european government is just crazy. German citizens trusted their governments judgment, and they ended up slaughtering innocent people. They trusted government so much that they never gave a thought about whether or not they were doing the right thing. Is this zombie-like state really what you want your society to be like.

Now most Americans don't want some paternal state doing all our thinking for us. Thus we think for ourselves and bear arms nowing that government should answer to the people. Not the other way around.


There's also one HUGE bonus to Americans and their right to bear arms. Other countries have to think twice before invading us knowing that potentially every citizen in the country could kill you.

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