1 (edited by Justinian I 24-Oct-2008 19:50:24)

Topic: The Democrats Caused our Economic Crisis

And this proves it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EyKiOE78yU

In short, the Demorats made changes to the Community Reinvestment Act that gave further incentives for banks to issue "affordable housing" to low income workers. This means that banks had to give mortgages at 0% down at low rates to low income workers, and they could be sued if they refused. This drove up the demand for housing and consequently the prices, and then the low income borrowers were unable to afford the housing, bursting the artificial bubble and hurting our economy. Consequently, the banks were left with bad securities, and that my friends is why they needed a bailout.

Bush and McCain tried to made necessary adjustments to the act, but the Democrats would not allow them.

Blame the Democrats. Obama is not the answer.

Re: The Democrats Caused our Economic Crisis

YES! For once I'm not the only person aware of and talking about this.

Retards are quick to talk about "greed" and the need for MORE regulation: it's this regulation that F[ ]ed us to begin with. And NO ONE is talking about it.

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yeah the Republicans got rolled on this one, they're now the Republocrat Party

While Bush didn't help any at all, Congress didn't step up and deliver either.

I don't know when the GOP is gonna stop doing what Dems do, out of bipartisanship, and start kicking Dem ass..

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Amusing Justinian that you quote, as if a real source, a youtube movie.

1. If you DO follow the instruction in the movie (search on google for "Community Reinvestment Act") and read the article you could just as wel find counter-arguments to the CAR causing the sub-prime crisis (for as far as the article is worth anything). After I had googled this and seen the article myself I quit watching the movie, so if it does get interesting & nuancated please tell, then I'll keep watching.

2. If you are one of the people who thinks the crisis has just 1 cause, comming from only 1 party, then I call you stupid. You could just as well blame the Jews (or others) because they are 'renowned' for their money lending skills, which caused banks and which caused Wall Street etc., which, ultimately, caused this crisis... (and yes, I am aware that even the causality in that ridiculous line of thought is wrong).

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not the democrat's fault. it is washington's fault. they are too busy playing the bi-partisan game to be concerned with whats best for the country.

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Conservatives also supported the housing bubble,because conservatives think house owners vote conservative.

The inmates are running the asylum

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# Expanding Homeownership. The President believes that homeownership is the cornerstone of America's vibrant communities and benefits individual families by building stability and long-term financial security. In June 2002, President Bush issued America's Homeownership Challenge to the real estate and mortgage finance industries to encourage them to join the effort to close the gap that exists between the homeownership rates of minorities and non-minorities. The President also announced the goal of increasing the number of minority homeowners by at least 5.5 million families before the end of the decade. Under his leadership, the overall U.S. homeownership rate in the second quarter of 2004 was at an all time high of 69.2 percent. Minority homeownership set a new record of 51 percent in the second quarter, up 0.2 percentage point from the first quarter and up 2.1 percentage points from a year ago. President Bush's initiative to dismantle the barriers to homeownership includes:

    * American Dream Downpayment Initiative, which provides down payment assistance to approximately 40,000 low-income families;
    * Affordable Housing. The President has proposed the Single-Family Affordable Housing Tax Credit, which would increase the supply of affordable homes;
    * Helping Families Help Themselves. The President has proposed increasing support for the Self-Help Homeownership Opportunities Program; and
    * Simplifying Homebuying and Increasing Education. The President and HUD want to empower homebuyers by simplifying the home buying process so consumers can better understand and benefit from cost savings. The President also wants to expand financial education efforts so that families can understand what they need to do to become homeowners.










http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/08/20040809-9.html

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Seriously i don't understand why mccain doesnt blame this on the democrats. I know that fannie and freddie were government led banks because it was assumed they would be bailed out by the government if something were to go wrong. And according to CAR fannie and freddie led the way in issueing no down payment houses for low income families.

So really, i dont know who took part in this because i have serious doubts it was just the democrats. but i do know that we dont need more regulation; we need to remove the regulation that is hurting us. Bank owners are not stupid to lend to low income families with no down payment. if they were not doing it before and the banks were fine, then what makes u think they would be better if there was government regulation forcing them to do something.

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well now they can keep doing it because the US govt guarantees everything

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So what your saying is that the Democrats forcing more low income families to ab able to live in their own home is a bad? I disagree. Finical institutions took a look at this, and their insatiable greed led to the current crisis. This crisis began with billionaires on Wall St. never being happy with what they have. It will end with upwards of a million people losing their life savings.

"In a world of global deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." George Orwell

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Yes, because they GOT INTO the home, but cannot afford to KEEP UP THE PAYMENTS

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? It wasn't the Jews' fault, Grushdeva? I gotta stop watching CNN.

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fact, the republicans helped write NAFTA, and Clinton thought in spirit it was a good idea, but the republicans (big business) knew exactly what they were going to do with it.... it originally stated that big business could outsource a certain amount of the work for products and not face tariffs.... but in the righting of it allowed them to move the whole of their manufacturing and customer service as well... and the rep's took advantage of that.
second bush has spent 25 times  what any 5 presidents have ever spent in office.... and i guess your going to say we had too... well wrong, it is no secret that our government knew about the attacks, the israeli intelligence was in a hotel filming it as it happened, showing that they knew, and Cheney wanted his natural gas pipeline for haliburton through afghanistan, and bush wanted  vengeance for his daddy's assaination attempt.
it's called wag the dog... didn't you see the movie.
our government did it at Pearl harbor to get in the war, they did it with a ship off the coast to start with Korea, and did it by assassinating a diplomat for Vietnam.

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wow... there is always a radical like cougar who comes out posts nonsense that doesnt relate to the topic at all. And the worst part, he just makes nonsense claims with no evidence or anything. I say we go back to the topic about our financial crisis.

"So what your saying is that the Democrats forcing more low income families to ab able to live in their own home is a bad? I disagree. Finical institutions took a look at this, and their insatiable greed led to the current crisis. This crisis began with billionaires on Wall St. never being happy with what they have. It will end with upwards of a million people losing their life savings."

Yes are u forgetting that there is the CAR law that says u must GIVE affordable housing to low income people? they may be greedy (its human nature to be greedy) but they sure as hell are not stupid. if the banks weren't doing it before what makes it a good idea to do it now? another example how government intervening has turned into a disaster.

and also i never stated it was just the democrats. maybe the democrats took a bigger role into this but the republicans were part of it too. this is a messup of government in general.

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i know for a fact about bush... pearl harbor was on history Chanel and A&E, Korea.... we put the ship there, but we knew what would happen it is common knowledge... and the diplomat was actually trying to keep us out of Vietnam.
the only thing that you could question is what i said about bush... but as i said i worked for the DOD, and had a conversation with Atta on line, and met him at a well known restaurant in Sarasota. and then promptly alerted who i was supposed to, I contacted the air force, the CIA, and the state dept..... but not a damn thing was done about it.

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Uh Cougar, Korean war started with a land invasion over the whole peninsula

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we got in to it, when the north Koreans attacked a surveillance ship off of they're coast.

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No we got into it when a couple of US army regiments got slaughtered by Russian armor and south korea was reduced to a thirty mile pocket around the city of Pusan

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no it was when they took soul... i got confused it was Vietnam that had the spy ship that got attacked and then we sent military ad visors, the war in Korea was started when the armistice was broken.

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ah Gulf of TOnkin

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Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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someone up there said that it was stupid to boil this down to a "well this 1 party did it" issue, and i fully agree.  republicans are responsible, democrats are responsible, people spending outside their means are responsible.  its not just one person's or one party's fault, and its extraordinarily stupid to boil it down to that.  greed and stupidity caused this whole mess, and those two forces know no party lines.

> Justinian I wrote:
> Ouro,
Even though you were the first one to arrive at the scene who clearly pwned Einstein and showed how biased he is, you are an outright arsehole.

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Greed and stupidity is to simple.  Thats broad and does nothing.

It was a bunch of liberals, Repubs and Demos in Govt. that loosened up the lending restictions.....
They used Freddie and fannie to Guarantee these loans.....
Then, the guaranteed the bonds that bundle these notes....

Well ......  Perfect example of Govt. getting involved in business....
Now, Govt. is even more involved....and

Govt. will have a bunch of show trials to blame everyone.....except themselves.

A travesty......and an opportunity.

Come .......joust w/the master.
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show trials.... sounds familiar eh? smile

> Justinian I wrote:
> Ouro,
Even though you were the first one to arrive at the scene who clearly pwned Einstein and showed how biased he is, you are an outright arsehole.