Zidi u almost scare me sometimes. Every post ive seen of u in the past 2 yrs is like tearing my mind out and putting it in u:) so i agree with u like 99.9999% of the time or u agree with me 99.99999% of the time:)

Im really disapointed with this reshuffle. With days left we were told there wouldnt be 1 and now not only are we told there will be 1 after just 1 round, but now people want 15-20 peeps per fam back. usually when something is being successful u stick with it. I would agree 100% to going with 15 player fams if we had double the players we have atm in ic.

I played during a time when there were 100 fams per gal and when the merger happened we had 200 or something like that in andro, it might of been 150, but I remmeber my allies being ranked 119th when they got hit and they were no wheres near the bottom+ they had 16 players somewhat active! I also watched ic fall from that high down to 20 fams per gal. I was in so many super fams with 18-20 player fams as well as seeing alot of other super fams. These super fams meant alot of unequal playing field starting off from the get go and alot of raping on smaller fams. Evan with 15 player fams we had the best start we ever had and anyone had in ic in andro. Double the nw of the 2nd ranked fam atfre 10 days! double the nw of the top fam in mw after 10 days when rounds started sametime, we had 13 players out of 15.

I spent yrs trying to get the mods to reduce alliances,fam sizes,round leght and increase starting gc/resources for what i thought was not good for me, but good for ic. I dont see an overall complaint about it other then older players wanting 20 player fams again or the middle generation wanting less fams because they know ic with 20 fams per gal.

The fun we had with 100+ fams!! U dident have to worry about just 1-2 fams, u had to worry about all of them, all were unknown variables in the gal.. 50 fa m gal this round u had so many peeps playing and so many fams. We started off very inactive, joe missed the 1st 2 weeks, we had 5 people start off, i missed the 1st 5 days and mainly evo and kagar were active early on and we still survived and still had fun+ plenty of all differant kind of size fams to deal with good or bad+ we had no ally!. I lost maybe 150 planets this round if not more and up till last week i was still maken 3m a tick counting resources. For a fam ranked 25th or so that was plenty good and I would play in a small fam like this any round! If not for the #1 fam really hurting us I think we been able to save up and do a jump to really hurt another top fam, we managed to fend 1083 off when they were #1 and we managed to beat 1102 when they were #4 as well as hold our own with 55 when they were a dominating #1 and we never had to worry about competeting for #1 nor did we worry about sitting on 15 planets and being so small.

People were upset the top fams dident do much this round, well thats the way ic is now, every round is differant, but poeple are mostly inactive, so u wont see all kinds of great competetion anymore as the old days till we get alot of new players in over time.

The only thing u needed to change was reduce the systems by 10-20% without a reshuffle. I thought it was good to explore longer then usual as long as the systems are filled with 2 weeks to go, as it is now were still exploring lol.

So here we are, after alot of recent success nolio decides he wants more people per fam and less fams per gal, so rigs the voting? ALot of people dont realize or care whats good for ic mods! alot of people just care whats good for them at the current time and not whats good for ic!

Joe/orbit wanted 20 players per fam and 20 fams also, after a while of explaining to him why that be fun for 1 round and bad overall he came around big time. He wanted this because he grew up with it and knew nothing else.

Trust me when i say this, this makes no sense! A few peopel convinced the mods as well as nolio convincing the others that this was needed. I mean just last month u had to open another gal for the left over players, but now your reshuffling capri so u can have less fams? more players per fam is always bad.

I played for 7 yrs straight or so and trained more people then anyone and thats a fact. U cant get to know 20 people in your fam personally or train them as good as u can and should with 12 players. How many of u have done full fam starting strats with 20 players? I did it for yrs straight and its a huge strain and it sucks!

BAD BAD BAD move big time

for me I liked the no draft round very much, and I also like reshuffles a lot. So PP_ everyone has his own preferences. Besides you can still play with 4 other people now and that is still very nice.

But I agree on the famsizes.. Less fams which are bigger just ruin things.. It will decrease the competition badly, because you will get one powerhouse alliance who were way more lucky with their randoms.

Keep the fams of 12 or make it 15 at most, make the map smaller and we are good to go. This will result in more fights on closer turf and way more competition. That is what I liked this round ... even though most fams slacked haflway.. there was never one family really the best, but there were many good fams

Being a big mouth, I can't help myself but comment on all and any topics, even ones I am not well briefed on

What PP says makes plenty of sense; in the current situation the fams probably need some marginal amount of drafts to gain a core of experienced players who can then teach others.

I just want to point out, however, that "keep drafts to save IC" argument has been around for 5-6 years. It has been around every since Stefan introduced the draft system. There were very many great fams before you can draft and experienced players taught the n00bs a great deal because there was no option to draft in somebody scary good, you had to make ur fam scary good.

So from my point of view, there's two possibilities: either drafting as a whole screwed up IC or its introduction just happens to perfectly coincide with the beginning of the slow decline. Since we cannot know, we can only try to experiment with different set ups and see which one works best. So I think it's only logical to cut down number of players, allies and drafts since it has become obvious the larger numbers don't work. At the very worst, mods will get the perfect set up wrong and make fams too small or something (if that's even possible in these times.) But the experience will be important so they can get the size right the next time.

Cut fam size, # drafts and # of allies. it has shown it doesn't work, why cling to it? In changing it you might make another mistake, but if you learn from every mistake you eventually get it right. Sitting on ur ass never fixes anything.

It's kinda  funny how ic  always winds up getting tailored to the needs of the popular few.

less talking more acting ! <3 all ! nothing can mess my mood !

yea I have been around since r4 I have played a lot of different way too. And I agree on fam-sizes, I just dont think it matters much if things get reshuffled or not

Yes, the galaxy size never bothered me. If someone wanted to attack a family they did, no matter the circumstances. The bigger galaxy did allow players to gain better spread and also made it difficult for families to keep them secure. But the amount of family in the galaxy needs changed to make the whole galaxy more competitive. We can't have families with 3-5 players when the round starts as we had this round.

Also reducing the galaxy size a bit won't hurt either, maybe by 10-20%. This way it will definitely increase conflicts for the next round.

Its funny that especially PP starts to whine about reshuffle. Guess his plan with Orbit and Kagar is ruined

i do agree PP...since when do we reshuffle back to back rounds? thought the point of a reshuffle was to break up powerhouse fams. and honestly i am not looking at any this round.

dont see why we would need a reshuffle.

also...Joor you should stop posting "its funny that" in every post you make because not everything is so damn funny....idiot

Joor i know u wont be a draft in kagars fam next round, however if i do play and u randomed into us ( not 100% sure if im staying )u would have the same opportunity/choice that any other will have. Stay and have fun with us and get to know the better side of us and have fun:) or do whatever u got planed:). U be suprised over the yrs of how many peeps ended up randoming into us and ended up staying:) loads of ex enemies. I think maybe 1-2 i regret allowing them to stay as do they

12 players a fam is okay, no reshuffle this round.
BUT the galaxcy need too be a lot smaller, there was now the whole round enough  exploring planets. 25% smaller is better. So there will be come more and intressting Wars.