> Theodora wrote:

@Avogadro

I said nothing of the sort.

you can fool others with that bullshit, but not me. 

you said

"A debate on the financial crisis in Washington would be fairly idiotic and serve no purpose, unless they both plan on replicating the financial crisis and/or the circumstances that led to it when they take the helm."

> Gladiator wrote:

> OMG

how dare you guys   i actually tried to be unbiased in this one thread, i swear

and avo, i'm starting to think you aren't so biased, i'm not saying that just cuz you oppose me every single time, but like i said

mccain made a great move, but he didn't play it right, he didn't play it considering the situation... he could've made it much better i would think

ok now response to your actual post on the last page:
"Obama saying he called McCain and was talking about a joint statement changes none of this. Obama going to Washington changes none of this. "
obama called mccain first and then they talked about suspending campaign and moving debate, obama said lets put out the joint statement and let's let the campaigns figure the debate thing out -- later he sees mccain on tv at his hotel, talking about suspending this campaign

this was a good move from obama because:
now he's seen as the one who initiated the move, and mccain is just seen as the guy who jumped the gun and wanted to take his own politcial gains and now i'm not saying mccain did this just for politics... but what do you think the media will say?(remember the media has a big part in this)
the media is, and will continue to say this, and ask this of their correspondents: "how do you think this political move will play out with voters?" or "why do you think mccain made this politcal move? - response: oh he's slipping in the polls you know" and many many other questions, twisted and picked at,

now the other thing:
"gladiator, you do realize for debate, there needs to be two sides, if McCain doesnt show up, it isnt a debate, and if Obama shows up, first it gives the impression McCain's time is more valuable then Obama's. 2nd it gives the impression McCain takes the economic problems more seriously, and third it makes Obama seem shallow because he's more concerned with being on TV then helping the country. "

lol, you make it seem like, obama will be standing on the stage waiting for mccain, or vice-versa
that's not how it works , the campaigns will have negotiated this before hand
and also remember, mccain didn't say he's not guna show up at the debate, he just said he would like the debate to be re-scheduled
but the organizers aren't doing it anyways, so it's guna happen, you can bet on it
ok this is where opinions come in, i do think it's a nice political move as i mentioned before since it does show you taking a step for the economy and that's great for mccain as he's clearly loosing on the economy issue, BUT I believe it won't work too well for him, considering the situation and all the variables like the media(newspaper, television, radio, web), obama and the democrats repeating these statements --"obama initated it...we don't need the presidential election politics in the congress with this bill ... we already have the bill almost passed...american people deserve a debate...obama's helping anyways, over the phones and he's talking to us"

"Obama seem shallow because he's more concerned with being on TV then helping the country"
COME ON
name one politician who wouldn't love it to be covered by the media 24/7

@gladiator, you [LA Galaxy fan]first of all, you should of said, im not unbiased, not that i am not biased. and i never claimed to be unbiased; infact being unbiased is an impossibility in the real world; its an ideal like equality. earlier this week i was actually leaning towards Obama more so then McCain.

if what you say about what Obama said is true, Obama is flip flopping or lieing. if Obama wanted to suspend their campaigns then he wouldnt be pushing to have this debate.

and i dont read the news. i find it iritating people trying to look unbiased when they're obviously biased. its much easier to get the facts from openly biased sources from either side. so when i said if, i was talking about one hypothetical situation, it doesnt matter if it occurs or not.

and it doesnt matter if all politicians are guilty of something, its still bad when its seen by the public. just like all politicians lie, but when their lieing is seen by the public its a bad thing.

I think both candidates are being immature honestly. Well, in a sense. McCain stabbing obama in the back was pretty low. I don't really care who approached who, just as long as they can show that we can be united because it causes a trickle down effect. The joint statement and suspending the campaigns is the best thing for the country right now. Or would've been. At least then the "my candidate, my candidate" situation could've been temporarily calmed and we could focus on important matters as a Nation. Now the democrats are being greedy and the republicans are doing the same. Not that they wouldn't have been. But I think a joint statement would've set an example.

If Obama goes to the debate stage alone then I'm going to be disappointed. We don't need to hear much more from Obama/McCain solo. Lets hear them talk together face to face. This is why I don't really care for politics. Too many childish people with power. Even 8 year olds get along better

McCain's going..GREATTT

now he's taking a step back, he should've played his cards on this on saturday, or monday..
he should've been smart enough to know there wasn't guna be a deal and play his cards, and it would've benefitted him a lot..

the thing i'm wondering is...
was he stupid enough to believe he could move the debate?
or was he stupid enough to believe no one would pressure him to go to the debate?
OR was he dumb enough to think he wouldn't have to step back on his steps?

if he was guna do this, atleast he should've been smart enough to do it after the debate, the bill wasn't guna pass, it was clear(unless that became clear only when repubs started saying no, but w.e ..forget that)
mccain and his campaign should've been smart enough to figure out that obama wouldn't have followed mccain, mccain couldn't move the debate, mccain would've had too much pressure on him to go to the debate
and now for himself he has made a bad situation even worse..

LOL

frankly i don't want a president who isn't smart enough to see what's coming his way in less than 2 days

or in mccain's defence, he might've just forgot... which might be worse than what i said above..

LOL avo, i knew that cuz he said ..he wasn't guna participate in the debate unless the bill had been done..

and which response are you talking about?

a move to pressure republicans?
a move to pressure republicans?
republicans suddenly after a day ago saying that they were almost there, suddenly said nothing was guna get done
if anything mccain f'ed it up

and yes avo, i remember now, i was guna tell you, maybe i just forgot what i posted, i'll read mine in a bit
but i was guna say, wtf are you talking about? i didn't get ur response