Topic: Self Defense with the enemies guns :D

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yes, investigators who are trying to make a neutral estimation on things to come should be fired. there's too many people doing their jobs right these days.

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3 (edited by Gladiator 06-Sep-2008 10:21:50)

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you're pissed cuz the investigator wasn't enthusiastic?

and like Luci said, he was doing his job right... they're not supposed to encourage killing people, even if they are criminals tongue --you might not agree but that is their job tongue

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Nah Einstein, these extremists want gangsters to run the nations.

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Every gun-invelved death or wound is to be properly investigated (except when your name is Dick Cheney apparently), that sounds only normal to me.
I don't see what your problem is Flintsy!

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Lets run down the list

1) Bad guys break a pane glass window to get entry

2) Bad guys have a gun each, one a shot gun, another a pistol

3) The bad guys threaten the mom and her children

4) The mom pushes a gun out of aim

5) The dad seizes said gun

6) Bad gun with pistol aims at dad

7) Dad shoots bad guy first

8) Bad guy with pistol runs away, badly hurt

9) other bad guy goes after dad

10) Dad shoots bad guy

11) Bad guy is hurt, but still tries to get gun

12) Dad shoots guy dead

13) Hospitalized bad guy tells story

14) Cops confirm dad and mom do actually live there

15) Case should be closed, cops should shake hands of mom and dad

16) An investigator has the balls to say "they probably wont be prosecuted" when facts are quite obvious, and they wont be prosecuted unless the prosecutor wants to
    a) Lose the case
    b) Lose his job
    c) Lose some money to them
    d) Lose his wife when peer pressure makes her desperate to be part of regular society
    e) hangs himself for his huge mistake (or shoots himself if he is extremely cowardly)



In no case does the evidence in this show even a .001% reasonable cause to even consider the family in this matter for prosecution. This is an anti-gun arsehole who wants to push his agenda.

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Flint if everybody who lied to a cop was lined up end to end, it--oh wait, that's New York City.

They'll talk to the neighbors to make sure they weren't having a barbecue or something like that...

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wait, wait.. the investigator is an anti-gun arsehole because he said they would likely *not* be prosecuted? would you have been happy if he had said that they were likely to be prosecuted or what?

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lol Flint, you're not thinking rationally. All those things aren't facts, they are the tale the lady has told. However, she probably doesn't have any reason to lie, it's only the foundation of jurisdiction to find out how things went and to exclude all hypotheses.

Nothing more, nothing less. If you don't like that, move to Afghanistan!

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if you ask me... this was self defence with using violence that crosses the border of that what is tolerated.

Instead of giving the finishing shot... he could slam the guy with the weapon as well.

As said, the guy was already wounded and by that easily to defeat.

I would sue the man for death by blame.

I fully understand that you wanna protect your family. But killing someone by doing so is not something that can be tolerated.

You have claimed all this time that you would die for me. Why then are you so surprised to hear your own eulogy?

11 (edited by windowsME 06-Sep-2008 19:26:28)

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lol, no, killing someone with the gun they had pointed at your face is *not* to be tolerated


*eyes roll*

Note: that's 15 minutes from where I live tongue

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Einstein you have to understand, i'd love it if every bad guy is killed
but the face is, not everyone presumed guilty is guilty
in this case they are probably guilty but they don't have full proof of that yet other than their story

and you innocent until prooven guilty anyways, the investigator, can't really say oh they won't be prosecuted, and then possibly have to turn back on his word... it's the law, and quite frankly i'm not sure why you're bringing this up

do you really think before he said that, he actually thought about how he was guna phrase is it, so that someone far far away doesn't get the wrong meaning

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Its outrageous that Texans who claim to love their children didn't have a gun upstairs for Junior to run for

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"Its outrageous that Texans who claim to love their children didn't have a gun upstairs for Junior to run for"

but then you probatly would have 4 deaths now

Tobi

15 (edited by vissertje 08-Sep-2008 13:41:18)

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who the hell keeps a gun for their kid to access? ffs its bad enough to have a gun in the house when u have kids (since most of the shootings happen with the own gun), but to let ur kid have access?

@ this story: gj by the parents, luckily it turned out well.

and who cares if the burglar's dead? he deserved what he got for breaking into a house with kids in it. Anyone willing to traumatise a little child for their own financial gain deserves 2 shotgun blasts.

ow and @ the investigators saying "probably won't be persecuted"... this is probaby because they're not allowed to talk in certainties before decisions are made... correct me if im wrong. Is it even their task to decide whether or not to persecute? or do they like, give the evidence to the DA and let him decide?

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It is very funny, why don't people start to think why the "bad guys" decided to assault an house?

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Does it matter? kids are off limits. Even if the parents did something to provoke it, the kid is still innocent.

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Jezus christ Flint, are you even serious?

When he says "probably not persecuted" he just says it to reassure the family and the people that it's very likely they won't be persecuted, and he adds probably cause it's not his decision to make.

You blow this up to an anti gun freak pushing his agenda, get a grip flint.

What do I have to work with?

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"Does it matter?"

Yes it does, you can only solve problems by knowing what are creating them and not by allowing people to have guns.

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> TheYell wrote:

> Flint if everybody who lied to a cop was lined up end to end, it--oh wait, that's New York City.

They'll talk to the neighbors to make sure they weren't having a barbecue or something like that...
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That was regarding the cops but imagine it being civilians.

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> Wild Foolish Soul wrote:

> lol Flint, you're not thinking rationally. All those things aren't facts, they are the tale the lady has told. However, she probably doesn't have any reason to lie, it's only the foundation of jurisdiction to find out how things went and to exclude all hypotheses.

Nothing more, nothing less. If you don't like that, move to Afghanistan!
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> [TI]  The_Unknown wrote:

> Jezus christ Flint, are you even serious?

When he says "probably not persecuted" he just says it to reassure the family and the people that it's very likely they won't be persecuted, and he adds probably cause it's not his decision to make.

You blow this up to an anti gun freak pushing his agenda, get a grip flint.
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> Freelancer wrote:

> "Does it matter?"

Yes it does, you can only solve problems by knowing what are creating them and not by allowing people to have guns.
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By the way Canadians have more murders per capita than the Americans do AND our murders are usually more painful and for a longer duration than the American ones.
This is due to many of our murderers NOT using guns.

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I think armed burglars should be executed, if not by the victims then the state.

My reasoning is that violent criminals likely do not change, and become parasitic to society in the long-run. Their lives just aren't worth the cost.

Such a policy would also act as a deterrent.

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most deaths by firearms dont come from sniper rifles, or assault rifles- the main cause is small calibre, compact handguns. not powerful but lethal at close range.

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