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It's easier to administrate a small, densely populated country than it is a large empire with a population very spread out.
On the other hand, there are other factors that drive up costs in the US, especially for reasons dealing with government intervention. So our health care is not a free-market solution, it's a messy mixed solution.
Look at Canada... they only have 3.3 of population density and they are able to have an universal healthcare.
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Canada has a giant pile of land which has very little population whatsoever. The VAST majority of its people reside in the south.
The US has people everywhere. Urban cities, suburbs, rural towns, etc.
Right. Canada's 33 million people live in only a few areas of Canada. In the US, the populated is inhabited throughout much more of the country.
Now I feel stupid for just learning that the Northwest Territories were divided to create a new province 9 years ago. 
hehe.... @ DPS
Private companies ?? Like Johnson and Johnson or Merk or......you mean like those companies ??
They are not private.
@ Dragon.
Dude, you dont have any ability to debate anything.
You support a socialist Marxist system.
I support a free market system.
Read this carefully.....AGAIN....
1. In the US, people who cant pay, or who need assistance paying for health care can get it from their states.
2. The US spends more on PUBLIC FUNDING of Health care than most nations do that have universal Health Care.
Got it ?? I have problems with the waste of money the Govt. tosses at these problems.
THE Veterans care system, a public system is bad, and a bloated bureaucracy.
The Medicare and Medicaid system is full of fraud and waste.
Thats Govt. Govt. is wasteful and inefficient.
any system on a budgetary system is wasteful and inefficient.
Disprove that statement. .... since you cant, that is my point entirely.
You leftist always lean on ...you know those people....or them.
Who are these people ??
@ Freelancer
the Free market system of the US is not a free market system.
The system in the US, has most of the breakthroughs in extreme care, and medicines. Not to mention rehabilitation.
You can only use the good will and sharing that the US gives for so long.
You make "Generic" drugs that US Drug companies have spent much capital on developing.
MRI was developed in the US.
US funded Science groups developer cancer break through in MANY areas.
Free market Philanthropists developed Mechanical arms to do brain surgery.....NOT the Canadian health system.
In the US, University of St. Louis, they have developed a way to replace a heart valve w/o invasion of the body.
I can go on and on how people, NOT GOVTs., NOT PUBLIC money has developed medical breakthroughs.
Most of this done in the US, in teaching hospitals and funded by medical companies.
Please.
On the other hand, it would be nice if I could go to the doctor and get good service for free, and if someone else like BW had to pay for my bill 
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I'm pretty sure you have enough money to pay for your own, Justinian. 
BW your entire health care system is flawed. It's extremely more expensive and worse then what it is in European countries. And your system is 90% (or more?) private. Where big companies earn billions of dollars each year...
What I just wrote should "disprove" your statement entirely. It works MUCH better here in Europe. It is much cheaper here in Europe. I don't get what part of this that you don't understand.
Let your government deal with it and make sure they are under strict control by several different instances to make sure they are doing a damned good job with it (like we have here...) and it should work just fine
"I can go on and on how people, NOT GOVTs., NOT PUBLIC money has developed medical breakthroughs.
Most of this done in the US, in teaching hospitals and funded by medical companies."
Um Sweden have made LOADS of such breakthroughs. And scientists here are aided by... private companies AND the government
Works kinda good 
> Black_Wing wrote:
> @ Freelancer
the Free market system of the US is not a free market system.
The system in the US, has most of the breakthroughs in extreme care, and medicines. Not to mention rehabilitation.
You can only use the good will and sharing that the US gives for so long.
You make "Generic" drugs that US Drug companies have spent much capital on developing.
MRI was developed in the US.
US funded Science groups developer cancer break through in MANY areas.
Free market Philanthropists developed Mechanical arms to do brain surgery.....NOT the Canadian health system.
In the US, University of St. Louis, they have developed a way to replace a heart valve w/o invasion of the body.
I can go on and on how people, NOT GOVTs., NOT PUBLIC money has developed medical breakthroughs.
Most of this done in the US, in teaching hospitals and funded by medical companies.
Please.
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the thing is though, hospitals dont pay for the research on inventions or medicines, companies do.
universal healthcare wouldn't change that... instead of the patients or whoever pays the bill now, it would just be the state (or health insurance company, not sure which type of universal healthcare obama advocates) paying for the extra costs that come with the first years of the patents (the patents are how the investments of companies that promote research are paid back)
It's not like Obama is planning to nationalise all medical research
Also, the US system is so costly because of the huge insurance bills that come with the rediculous claims that go with medical errors. Tackle that and save alot of money.
US is a federal government.
Most low-income aid for healthcare is by county, and by state.
Federal aid is not generally available, restricted by severe hardship and age. And that is infamously inefficient,only 10% of the Medicare budget is for payments for health services.
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