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"I don't really understand why Russia is bristling so much over a defense system."

If I start building mounted, automated weapons and pointing them in your direction; will you be comforted at all by my assurances that the weapons are designed to be defensive?  Of course not no one would.  Russias problem is that the US is preparing for an act of Russia agression that they maintain there is no indication of.  Now whether or not the US concern is warranted it's not hard to understand Russia's aggitation.

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yea but you would have to have the equipment to dig the hole 5 miles deep first... it wouldn't be easy to do but by a government.

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> DPS wrote:

> "I don't really understand why Russia is bristling so much over a defense system."

If I start building mounted, automated weapons and pointing them in your direction; will you be comforted at all by my assurances that the weapons are designed to be defensive?  Of course not no one would.  Russias problem is that the US is preparing for an act of Russia agression that they maintain there is no indication of.  Now whether or not the US concern is warranted it's not hard to understand Russia's aggitation.
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given recent events the United States concern is warranted so Russia's reaction is unreasonable.

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@bc:
there are weapons to destroy the planet you can fire at home but its not 3 warheads really.

@phoenix:
destroying russia wouldn't destroy its nuclear arsenal. They have submarines. But destroying all of russia probably destroys the world with it. We cannot survive such a post-nuclear world.

Nobody can assure any missile shield to work however I can assure you it won't stop russias ICBMS now.

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@justinian:
there is a distinct difference between china, wich is the US biggest trading partner and russia.
China needs food
US needs chinese goods to pay for their investments and to keep the dolar balanced.
They are almost biggest friends.

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There is speculation that Russia is going to build it's own missile shield in countries allied to it, such as Belarus or Syria.  Although Syria hasn't agreed to such a move directly, they essentially have as Syria and Russia have signed a weapons and military hardware sharing treaty.  Well, according to CNN anyway.

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The problem with the Missile Shield is that America says it is to protect Europe from Iran and is not aimed at Russia in any way.

Iran's missiles cannot reach Europe.
The missiles Iran is currently testing can only just reach the outer edge of the missile shield's maximum range.
The only missiles that fall inside the Missile Shield's range are European and Russian.
The missile shield represents a threat to Russia, Russian defence, and Russian Offence (Or is America the only one allowed to make pre-emptive defensive attacks now?).

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The missile shield represents a threat to Russia, Russian defence, and Russian Offence (Or is America the only one allowed to make pre-emptive defensive attacks now?).

Yes. Yes we are.  We defensively attacked Russia by proposing a system outside Russian soil that will operate outside Russian soil.  What bastards we are.

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> TheYell wrote:

> The missile shield represents a threat to Russia, Russian defence, and Russian Offence (Or is America the only one allowed to make pre-emptive defensive attacks now?).

Yes. Yes we are.  We defensively attacked Russia by proposing a system outside Russian soil that will operate outside Russian soil.  What bastards we are.<


A system aimed at whom?

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"A system aimed at whom?"

Not whom, but what. and you guessed it! Missiles headed in the wrong direction.
Well, the supposed intention anyway.

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"I don't really understand why Russia is bristling so much over a defense system"

I dont think USA would be happy if russia installed a "defence system" in  mexico

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"Yes. Yes we are.  We defensively attacked Russia by proposing a system outside Russian soil that will operate outside Russian soil.  What bastards we are."

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Like when Sovjet were puting missiles on Cuba. Outside USA soil... ehh... don't see the extreme difference.

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> The Dragon Agh wrote:

Like when Sovjet were puting missiles on Cuba. Outside USA soil... ehh... don't see the extreme difference.
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there is a huge difference between that instance and this modern event.  the missiles being put in cuba were offensive nuclear weapons. 
the missiles the United States is going to put in Poland are defensive interceptor missiles designed only to target missiles going in the wrong direction.

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and only 10 of them will be there, verifiable. 10 missiles shot down in the event of nuclear holocaust means nothing. It prevents rogue nations, aka Russia's step child Iran, from doing bad things.

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> and only 10 of them will be there, verifiable. 10 missiles shot down in the event of nuclear holocaust means nothing. It prevents rogue nations, aka Russia's step child Iran, from doing bad things.<

Iran, the country that cannot do anything anyway and even if it did your missile shield would not reach. We've had this argument, remember?

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That Ferris wheel in downtown London threatens US national security!

Tear it down!

Or else!!!

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> That Ferris wheel in downtown London threatens US national security!

Tear it down!

Or else!!!
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> &#9773; Fokker wrote:

> The problem with the Missile Shield is that America says it is to protect Europe from Iran and is not aimed at Russia in any way.

Iran's missiles cannot reach Europe.
The missiles Iran is currently testing can only just reach the outer edge of the missile shield's maximum range.
The only missiles that fall inside the Missile Shield's range are European and Russian.
The missile shield represents a threat to Russia, Russian defence, and Russian Offence (Or is America the only one allowed to make pre-emptive defensive attacks now?).
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They could reach Israel however.
And if Iran succeeds against Israel, then after moving there, they'd be a threat to Europe.
(which maybe isn't such a bad thing;))

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"given recent events the United States concern is warranted so Russia's reaction is unreasonable."

Yes and the US has been working on this missle shield since...?

If I point a gun at a calm bear saying it's to defend myself from the bear and the bear gets violent how do you know which is true; that the bear, though appearing calm, was always violent so I pointed my gun at it in preparation, or that the bear was actually calm and only got violent because I was pointing my gun at it.

I have no position either way all I know about the missle system is that initially former Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin was against it in a rare act of Liberal Party pragmatism saying, "We don't need it, nobody's shooting at us.  Besides we've already got NORAD."  Whether he changed his mind or it changed with Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper I never bothered to figure out because I really don't care.  Either we have American missles to stop enemy missles that will never come or we don't have American missles to stop enemy missles that will never come; it really doesn't make a difference, unless we're paying for the missles then there's a slight difference.

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DPS:
"If I point a gun at a calm bear saying it's to defend myself from the bear and the bear gets violent how do you know which is true; that the bear, though appearing calm, was always violent so I pointed my gun at it in preparation, or that the bear was actually calm and only got violent because I was pointing my gun at it."
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that analogy is only accurate if you are talking about the last 60 years. we have had many thousands of guns pointed at each other for longer than any of us can remember lol.

A more accurate description would be if I(an eagle) was pointing a gun at an already angry bear who was also pointing a gun at me.  Then i put up a small barrier between us that cant be moved.  Although it would not stop the bear if it attacked it would hinder it.
That barrier would be the missile shield in Poland.

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Soth,

I like your analogy better.

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I see another good point of the shield. A missile shield can intercept accidentally fired ICBM's and therefore prevent MAD.

So maybe a sollution in this conflict is to limmit the capacity of the shield to 5 or 10 permanently in exchange for russian assurance it will not attack any democracy again.

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Yeah when Russia bombs you you could hold the agreement over your head like an umbrella

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We have 007. He'll stop them with one hand, holding a cocktail in the other..

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...or a girl

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a missile shield won't work anyway for russia with the tech we have now. So paper,an umbrella,a beer or a missile shield would do the same in a nuclear scenario: making you look even more rediculous in the face of death. Its not a problem for atheist like me, I don't have to live forever afterwards, but others...?

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