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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D92M5GM81&show_article=1


I don't really understand why Russia is bristling so much over a defense system.  It isnt an agressive act but rather a progressive act in case of an unfortunate future. 

Also you cant really compare this to the cuban missile crisis because the patriot missiles being placed in poland are interceptors that are meant to destroy enemy missiles in flight.  So all russia needs to do is not launch any missiles at europe wink i dont see the problem?

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It undermines Iran's nuclear ambitions and Russia plans to use Iran's actions to force nations to rejoin the 'Union'.


Russia wont out and out admit this, instead they say it's to block their attack. Oh my... a city can survive, a small one, the nuclear attack of Russia out of the entire world!!!! Oh noes!!! Mercy no!!! so yeah they act it up.

You guys have no clue how dangerous Russia is, and Black_Wing and myself have said it for at minimum a year how dangerous they are...

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3 Reply by Justinian I (edited by Justinian I 20-Aug-2008 22:55:49)

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Because it frustrates Russia's desire to extend it's power by making its peripheral countries more dependent on the EU and US.

It's kind of like China messing around in our peripheral zone (South America) by buying the land around the Panama Canal, drilling oil off shore by Cuba, and building relationships with South American countries opposed to the US.

The world is becoming more multilateral, where the US is becoming a major power but not the only power. Our government is trying to extend its peripheral dependencies at the expense of Russia, and this kind of competition is dangerous for the future. We need to stop with that missile shield and leave Russia's peripheral zones alone. And someone has to be man enough to tell China to get the F out of South America.

By being aggressive with the other emerging powers, we may be writing the script of our destruction.

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4 Reply by Phoenix Mailer (edited by Phoenix Mailer 20-Aug-2008 23:08:38)

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the real answer is that the shield makes US one step closer to Nuclear Primacy status rendering russian nuclear deterrent ineffective

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Not really. The Missile shield is really not that effective. It's about the US extending its presence at the expense of Russia.

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6 Reply by Phoenix Mailer (edited by Phoenix Mailer 20-Aug-2008 23:09:08)

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ICBMs are most vulnerable at the first stage of the launch so putting missile shield close to launching points makes it very effective

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> Phoenix Mailer wrote:

> ICBMs are most vulnerable at the first stage of the launch so putting missile shield close to launching points makes it very effective
Yeah but Russia is four times the size of the US

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> Justinian I wrote:

> > Phoenix Mailer wrote:

> ICBMs are most vulnerable at the first stage of the launch so putting missile shield close to launching points makes it very effective
Yeah but Russia is four times the size of the US
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his point still stands.  Poland is closer to western Russia than the US is.  Besides there are only 10 missiles being placed there.  It is really only intended to protect europe

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9 Reply by Phoenix Mailer (edited by Phoenix Mailer 20-Aug-2008 23:37:34)

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Today, for the first time in almost 50 years, the United States stands on the verge of attaining nuclear primacy. It will probably soon be possible for the United States to destroy the long-range nuclear arsenals of Russia or China with a first strike

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20060301faessay85204/keir-a-lieber-daryl-g-press/the-rise-of-u-s-nuclear-primacy.html

Missile shield should be regarded in conjunction with first-strike capability so that
if the United States launched a nuclear attack against Russia or China, the targeted country would be left with a tiny surviving arsenal -- if any at all. At that point, even a relatively modest or inefficient missile-defense system might well be enough to protect against any retaliatory strikes, because the devastated enemy would have so few warheads and decoys left

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10 Reply by Justinian I (edited by Justinian I 20-Aug-2008 23:20:41)

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Well even if he is right, it is the expansion of US/NATO power at the expense of Russia. And if what he says is true, that it expands US nuclear primacy, it is also disrupting the balance of power Wilhelm II style.

I do not stand for disrupting a balance of power. That's what sparked WW1.

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Hmm, would be a bummer if Russia declares war in USA -- Red Alert 3 is already on it's way, it won't have the newest highlights sad

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12 Reply by Phoenix Mailer (edited by Phoenix Mailer 20-Aug-2008 23:58:57)

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Einstein wrote - "You guys have no clue how dangerous Russia is"

you must be paranoid, probably the most dangerous thing russia realistically could do would be to halt all exports of oil and gas - this alone would be devastating enough smile
You probably cant imagine how much energy is put into maintaining our current way of life, our economies are propelled by immence amount of energy inputs. Without that energy influx 90% of us would be farming all days long just to keep us fed up having no time left for entertainment


But as Bush said american way of life is not negotiable so it means the energy must continue to flow in...

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Phoenix Mailer wrote - "Without that energy influx 90% of us would be farming all days long just to keep us fed up having no time left for entertainment"

- Thankfully "I've have a combine harvester and I'll give you the keys"

May I point out that it is run on Bio Fuel

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the missile shield will just lead to another nuclear arms race- this time with ICBMs designed to evade being shot down, more cruise missiles, more subs, more bombers etc etc

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the missile shield will just lead to another nuclear arms race- this time with ICBMs designed to evade being shot down, more cruise missiles, more subs, more bombers etc etc

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16 Reply by Phoenix Mailer (edited by Phoenix Mailer 21-Aug-2008 00:06:18)

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may i point out that bio fuels caused the food crisis all around the globe ? yeah US is a big exporter of wheat and corn and as soon as it switches to bio fuels we have food crisis

also dont forget the fertilizers are made from oil...

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> EmperorHez wrote:

> the missile shield will just lead to another nuclear arms race- this time with ICBMs designed to evade being shot down, more cruise missiles, more subs, more bombers etc etc
My point exactly.

George II is like Wilhelm II.

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arms race is expensive but there is a reason for it - to keep control over resources one has to protect them. The question really is what is greater - the benefits of using the resources or the costs of protecting them ? It is like in IC protecting a planet with a huge fleet upkeeping which costs more then the planet can provide smile

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> Phoenix Mailer wrote:

> arms race is expensive but there is a reason for it - to keep control over resources one has to protect them. The question really is what is greater - the benefits of using the resources or the costs of protecting them ? It is like in IC protecting a planet with a huge fleet upkeeping which costs more then the planet can provide smile

Cooperation, investment in technology, and free trade is cheaper. Since 2001, the US has doubled its military expenses, and it accounts for roughly half of world military spending.

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China's relations with S.America are purely economic. The day China builds a naval base in Panama to be on the watch for rogue Brazilians then the U.S can protest.

However then that would raise questions about what it's doing in Poland, what it's 200 military advisors were doing in Georgia during the attack on S.Ossetia, military buildup in the Asian Pacific...etc.

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not anymore tavius, they're sending military advisers and trainers to latin america.  china makes a lot of knockoffs of soviet gear, and a lot cheaper than US systems like the Abrams

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WOW... you guys aren't thinking and it seems that none of these big super powers are either.
all it takes is for them to blow up 3 icbm's 5 miles in the ground and it would cause the worlds axis to go off tilt, and scrwew up our eco system for ever.
probably killing everyone.

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No way!

if we could do that with 3 warheads...I'd try it!

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I like to choose exaggerations for $500

"It will take 3 nukes in the earths core to destroy earths population"
and the answer is?

"What is an exaggeration by BC Cougar"

Correct!

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to know that all life would be erased by the slight pressure of a finger...yesss...yes I WOULD do it...such power would set me above the gods...AND THROUGH THE DALEKS I SHALL HAVE THAT POWER!!!!!!1111

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