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"And in the meantime Russia tramples Georgia."
I was talking a long term solution that beats bombing the hell out of Russia (wich can't be done 
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I'm not saying diplomacy is working well in this case, but I'm certain it's the best possible way and defenatly the most humane in the long run..
But this discussion was started based on a situation that's happening right now. If Russia were to march to Tiblisi, would you still stick to long term diplomacy?
And bombing the Hell out of the Russian troops in Georgia is quite possible.
> BiefstukFriet wrote:
> But this discussion was started based on a situation that's happening right now. If Russia were to march to Tiblisi, would you still stick to long term diplomacy?
And bombing the Hell out of the Russian troops in Georgia is quite possible.
It is, but bombing the Hell out of all of Russia is quite impossible.
"But this discussion was started based on a situation that's happening right now. If Russia were to march to Tiblisi, would you still stick to long term diplomacy?"
It's not long term diplomacy. There are some results, and that's what matters. I'm sure it'll bring an acceptable outcome for both parties.
"And bombing the Hell out of the Russian troops in Georgia is quite possible."
Wich frankly doesn't help the Georgian people either. By bombing more of their infrastructure and ann that, you don't a country that's struggling for economic growth.
Also, on a sidenote, I think it's quite odd that everyone here is (rightly) in favour of getting into action against the Russians, while the palestinian were also invaded and are being attacked for 40 years now. No one seems to care about them anymore.. And don't give the totally irrelevant comment of "they're suicide bombers and terrorists", as it is a form of resistance, one of the only ones left for them, how despicable the acts may be..
"Wich frankly doesn't help the Georgian people either. By bombing more of their infrastructure and ann that, you don't a country that's struggling for economic growth."
Frankly, those are acceptable loses. Besides, nothing is to stop us from "Marshall" aiding them.
To relativise suicide and terror atacks is almost as bad as commiting said acts. You might think it's an acceptable way of resistance. I and many others do not, and judge them(palestinians) on it.
Sorry, I don't understand you there...
I'm editing my post so it might be confusing.
I'm done now, if you are still confused it means I 'win' the argument! 
It is a form of resistance everyone uses though. When you are down to your last bit of strength you give everything you've got and try to take down your opponent with you as a last resort.
Blowing up school busses really is a back to the wall tactic, yeah.
"Frankly, those are acceptable loses. Besides, nothing is to stop us from "Marshall" aiding them."
If the West (America or Europe) does start a war with russia, it won't be over in a few months. What'll be left of Georgia would bevirtually nothing. Not a single Georgian is waiting for that.
"To relativise suicide and terror atacks is almost as bad as commiting said acts. You might think it's an acceptable way of resistance. I and many others do not, and judge them(palestinians) on it.
Blowing up school busses really is a back to the wall tactic, yeah."
It is, if you don't have any helicopters to fire missiles from, it is indeed a way to fight. It's a regretable thing though, you won't hear me saying that. Despite that, you can't deny that the palestinian people were forced to abandon large territories to an invading group as well who too were heavily supported by a larger force. In my opinion, it's not all that different, but the West sits at the other end of the table in this situation.
How will blowing up civilians change the current situation for the Palestinians?
"How will blowing up civilians change the current situation for the Palestinians?"
People still talk about them.. and bief what would you do if you were in there situation?
Blow up a, well I don't know.. soldier, railway line, arms depot, tank, helicopter, apc?
The thing is, as long as they use the tactics they are using right they won't get what they want, ever. In this case they could try diplomacy, they shouldn't expect to get a tripple A deal. They're still the losers after all.
If I were a Palestinian I'd set up a terrorist enclave and extort money by torture from my own people, and then I'd demand aid from the UN, and I'd steal most of that too. Then I'd blame the jews for the poverty and disease and ask kids to die blowing themselves up in Israel, because if enough of them lived to adulthood they might grow up and forma rival jewkilling terror mob and take it all away from me.
Oh schnapp! My dream came true!!
Los angeles class subs can sneak right up to the beach of Russia without them knowing about it, we tapped into their landlines in the okhotsk sea in the mid 1980s. Those have 6 Harpoon missles, the naval variant of the Tomahawk cruise missle, with a range of 960km. So we can blow hell out of Russian targets 960km from the coast of the Baltic, Artic, and Pacific and not much they can do about it. Dedicated Antisub warfare assets are themselves targets. We don't have to conquer and occupy Russia to get Russia to stop invading. If Russia has to choose between shipping troops and ammuntion, or food and commercial goods, because their rail and road traffic has been reduced by half, then they're not going to do much serious fighting.
As to why we haven't done that, our govt is wussbags.
yell sorry but you are wrong.. the harpoon is a air to ship or ship to ship missile.. not a cruise missile. it has nothing to do with tomahawks and its range is only about 150-200 nm. its made for sinking ships not for blowing up any russian targets...
hmm you're right, my source was wrong. Los Angeles class subs carry the usual Tomahawk BGM-109 for long-range operations.
"Blow up a, well I don't know.. soldier, railway line, arms depot, tank, helicopter, apc?
The thing is, as long as they use the tactics they are using right they won't get what they want, ever. In this case they could try diplomacy, they shouldn't expect to get a tripple A deal. They're still the losers after all."
Perhaps, but not much has been accomplished in the past (when they didn't resort to suicide bombings) and when that doesn't work, you try something far worse. Besides, most suicide bombers are people who were raised in this situation. They have nothing left to live for, wich is one of the prime recruitment reasons..
Oh come on, you Belgians weren't marched in suicide warrior rallies and shown TV shows where Mickey Mouse gladly goes to die as a suicide bomber after his brother, Donald duck, was killed by Walloons...if you had, you'd whine you had no choice but terrorism either
"Perhaps, but not much has been accomplished in the past (when they didn't resort to suicide bombings) and when that doesn't work, you try something far worse. Besides, most suicide bombers are people who were raised in this situation. They have nothing left to live for, wich is one of the prime recruitment reasons.."
Gaza is not one big concentration camp, a person has plenty of reasons to live for. And the terrorist atacks achieve nothing, the suicide bombers care not for a Palestine state, all they do and say, they do out of spite and hatred.
Russian peacekeepers robbed banks.
In other news, the Bush Administration proves its staunch support of Georgia by demanding Shaakashvili agree to let some Russian peacekeepers stay
This is the beginning of the end,this is just the first move the anti-christ plans are just taking place.
bush thinks he is hitler and america is the fourth reich,he is also playing the peace keeper,he is under minding the stability of eatern europe....now he signed somethign with poland to build a defece missle program getting the russians even madder.....i bet ukrian is next on russias list and then poland.
its funny cause hitler destroyed the german constitution right before he threated czec for sudeten lands.
bush is destroying our constitution,hes family has a history of nazism,his father declared america to be the head of the new world order of septemeber 11th.hes grandfather prescott bush owned a steal plant in germany at the time hitler was chancellor,he made the fortune for the bush family....he took advantage of the jews.
look up rex 84 "camps to detain massive amounts of the american populace"
fema couldnt answer to katrine becasue natrual disaters is not in its agrenda.
fema is in charge of the rex 84 camps its building huge amounts of plastic coffins
and they have double decker trians just with rows of benches and shackles
the american public needs to wait up fast cause what is coming to you is unstoppable.
now because of the america/poland deal russia is threarting poland with a nuclear attack on poland.....
> Russian peacekeepers robbed banks.
Why is this such a big deal?
Its like putting a bunch of consri...*ahem*...orphaned children in a candy shop for a few days, without supervision, and then not expecting them to take candy :S. Yes its bad, but not to expect it is even worse. Ignorance, even.
LOL Skoe
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> Artic wrote:
> battle of teh n00bie fmods ftw
goooooooooooo usa!
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> DPS wrote:
> "I really was trying to be objective and give Russia the benefit of the doubt. But, now ??
Forget it. I say they need a spanking. If only to show Turkey, they can count on the US....even when they left us hanging with the initial attack on Iraq."
That only works if no one in Turkey has ever read a history book. Historically the only people who can count on the US is the US, not saying there's anything wrong with that but that's the way it is. The US has shown it will not act unless there is a direct or indirect benefit to them.
WWI - US stayed out until they were attacked despite the requests of their allies for assistance,
WWII - US stayed out until they were attacked despite the Global threat the Axis (Nazi Germany in particular) posed,
Korean War - US only got involved to stop the spread of Communism which it viewed as a threat,
Vietnam - See Korean War,
Gulf War - Could be argued as the US not acting solely for the benefit of the US however it is important to note this was a UN initiative so it is impossible to know one way or another if the US would have gotten involved on its own,
Afghan War - Response to the 9/11 terrorist attacks,
Iraq War - eliminating a potential threat as well as cleaning up a black mark on the US reputation.
As I said nothing wrong with this position but it certainly doesn't inspire confidence in the dependability of US assisstance.
"& if taking on Russia is as easy & as risk free as you claim it is why hasnt the USA taken them on?"
Because no one who's tried has ever succeeded. Russia is a large country with harsh winters so unless you can wipe out the majority of resistance in 9 months you're going to run into the problems every other army that's tried has; inavailability of supplies and a harsh climate the enemy is infinitely more familliar with.
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Don't the leftists want the USA to stay out of the political lives of other countries?
Oh no wait, not if the USA would promote their ideologies in the process.
(if you're not a lefty, ignore this )
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