176 Reply by Skoe (edited by =( sKoE )= 11-Aug-2008 22:43:05)

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> They are trying to overthrow a democratically elected president, lol.
Wasnt Saddam democratically elected at one point?


Never the less, you seem to hold your military in high reguard Yell, far higher then it actually is. The response time for your airforce to fly into Georgia, and then prepare to engage Russian forces, means that Russia would have plenty of time to scramble enough air power to cover their tanks.

* EDIT: I mean that the Russians are pouring into Georgias north. 1-2 days is a forever under these circumstances.

The real problem Russia had, was that they were completely off-guard. Unlike the American invasion of Iraq, they had no time to prepare or to stockpile resources (Vechicles, for example, which couldnt get through the northern pass quick enough).

* EDIT: Which is exactly why the Georgians decided to attack and take back their own land.

Georgians were completely stupid to attack and like i said at the start of the thread, they have given Russia a free pass. Russia gets to:
1) Secure the European power market
2) Secure its influence in the region
3) Humiliate America
4) Take control of two provinces
5) Remove the Georgian government (Which has been a thorn in Russia's side).

The Americans told the Georgians not to try anything. It would be stupid. And as far as i can tell, Israel has been slowly dropping support for Georgia for some time now. They did a stupid thing, and their leader is about to pay for it. I just hope he flees before the Russians get their hands on him...

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> sKoE wrote:

> > If Bush had our interests in mind we'd have 200 fighter bombers in Georgia tomorrow ready to slaughter
> Russian tanks. That would do more to end this war than 2000 diplomats.

And the day after i would be saying "Wow...where did the northern hemisphere go?"

> Meanwhile the Russian Foriegn Minister tells Condi Rice that the elected President of georgia has to go.

I agree completely that he has to go. He stepped over the line.

The only thing i hope is that if he is to be punished, then he should receive a fair trial. Not like Saddan :S. I dont care how many people you kill, you still deserve a fair trial.
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In other words, should they be allowed to do what they want to their own people, or should we interfere?
Would we want others to interfere in our respective country's judicial system?
What is fair?
What isn't?

We can't have it both ways.

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178 Reply by The Yell (edited by TheYell 11-Aug-2008 23:23:44)

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"It would be the same if Serbia tried to bomb NATO out of Kosovo.
Same result."

Gee, Russia is there too.

"Never the less, you seem to hold your military in high reguard Yell, far higher then it actually is. The response time for your airforce to fly into Georgia, and then prepare to engage Russian forces, means that Russia would have plenty of time to scramble enough air power to cover their tanks."

In two days they could fly there, and then they would be operating out of Georgian airbases.  Response time of minutes.

"Georgians were completely stupid to attack and like i said at the start of the thread, they have given Russia a free pass. Russia gets to:
1) Secure the European power market
2) Secure its influence in the region
3) Humiliate America
4) Take control of two provinces
5) Remove the Georgian government (Which has been a thorn in Russia's side).

The Americans told the Georgians not to try anything. It would be stupid. And as far as i can tell, Israel has been slowly dropping support for Georgia for some time now. They did a stupid thing, and their leader is about to pay for it. I just hope he flees before the Russians get their hands on him..."

If we refuse to kill people to serve our national interests.  Which I've never been shy about.  And I don't see why we should start pretending we dare not.

I guess we should start resolving those WTO suits the Ruski way!

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> Little Paul wrote:

> The reason the EU can't act is because of energy blackmail. The reason the US can't act is the same as during the cold war. The russians have thermo-nuclear missiles. I can't blame them. But I do blame the EU for falling asleep and not caring about energy dependance to a despotism.
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More situations like this will encourage the EU to have their elected leaders, who elected leaders of themselves, to have those leaders appoint a new Charlamaign (pleas pardon my misspelling of his name) to deal with situations like this.  For good and for evil.

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180 Reply by paul valter pihlo (edited by paul valter pihlo 11-Aug-2008 23:43:27)

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"PS: Why is it that Eastern European soldiers all look so shady? They remind me more of mercs than regular soldiers. hmm"

The equipment of an estonian soldier...
http://www.postimees.ee/foto/3/9/634934560c0a6a5878.jpg
the equipment of an american soldier...
http://teacher.scholastic.com/scholasticnews/indepth/war-iraq/during_war/images/soldier_gears.jpg

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propaganda debunked

http://russia-insider.livejournal.com/25329.html

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Unless it's real and the sequence was 3, 2, 1 instead of 1, 2, 3

#3 "Hey you slimy Reuters reporter, quit looting my dead brother!"

#2  "Aw man, where's a phone book when you need one?"

#1  "Ok nurse, drop her here, somebody's started a pile"

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the first casualty of war is the truth.

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> esa wrote:

> propaganda debunked

http://russia-insider.livejournal.com/25329.html
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Exactly, that's what most of the USA major media do to the Russians and to Israel and to any Arab nation against the USA.
And the Palestians do it to the Israelis.
The Arab nations do it to the USA and to Israel.
...I could go on and on.
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Is any major country innocent of this propoganda bit?
Not based on my many limited observations over the years and limited study of history.

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The EU has no spine....period.

As soon as the shots start firing, the FRENCH contingent takes control, and runs for cover.

Unfortunately, the Germans have become French like.


Example ??

The heavily favored French 4x100 freestyle relay team.
Faced w/adversity, they folded their tents, and settled for a silver.

hey.......its a good as the Chechnyan example.

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nice try
lousy example tongue

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BW, I saw that race, it was a great swim, but u do completely confuse me here:D

I'm going to be nicer promise

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I'm sure there's a lot on ru.net to tell us how wrong everybody else on earth is about Russia, who seems confused about how far their army is and when it would stop.

If Putin says Russia doesn't want the Dardenelles we better worry

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> the first casualty of war is the truth.

Who do i need to quote on that? Its an awesome statement.

> In two days they could fly there, and then they would be operating out of Georgian airbases.  Response time of minutes.

In two days Russia could overrun Georgia with superior numbers. There wouldnt be any airbases left...Which is my point. The U.S. doesnt have the power to do anything that doesnt directly attack Russia.

> If we refuse to kill people to serve our national interests.

And yet you call Russia a fascist state?

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Cicero said that

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The Germans and French are a bunch of hypocrits. They were the ones to veto Georgia's membership to NATO. If Georgia was a memberstate none of this would've happened. And now they're 'spearheading' an EU peace deal, which is bound to fail, all they care about is saving face.

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If Georgia was NATO member we probably would be in WWIII right now.

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If Georgia was a NATO member state Russia would not have dared to atack.

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"The Germans and French are a bunch of hypocrits. They were the ones to veto Georgia's membership to NATO."

nato doesn't allow any countries with interior problems...


"If Georgia was a memberstate none of this would've happened."

maybe if they haven't attacked noone of this would happen..
a President who declares a ceasefire and 3 hours later his army invades..
then another 8 hours he claims his army never attacked ostsetia  is an idiot anyway...
who the hell should trust him?




you know bevor this whole shit happend Georgia asked germany to negotiate...
we did.. guess who turned our offer down?  georgia because of the pasus "no miltar force will be used to solve this conflict".. russia wanted to sign it....

guess why Georgia did increase its militar spending that hard this year?
25% of there total spending is for the militar...

also who did veto in the un a few hours bevor russia invated a resulutione that asked Georgia to stop bombing and invading Ostsetia...

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"If Georgia was a NATO member state Russia would not have dared to atack."

-They had too... it would be even worse.. just think a NATO member just attack Russia, they have to show that they can defend themselfs. keep in mind that was Georgia who initiates the attack

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was Georgia president on drug when he decides to attack Russian?? I just cant see what he can get out of this attack, except getting screwed up everywhere. maybe he was thinking he will get backed up by his big brothers..........................


Russian should probably thank Georgia for giving them a good excuse to invade.

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Georgia did not atack Russia, it was trying to restore order to one of it's own provinces.

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I guess Russians dont want US portalling in their cores.

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yeah goerigian president totally miscalculated.
I don

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200 Reply by BiefstukFriet (edited by BiefstukFriet 12-Aug-2008 14:35:11)

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"nato doesn't allow any countries with interior problems..."

I beg to differ, it was only by a small margin that georgia did not get accepted. The reason why France and Germany refused Georgia was because they feared that they would 'upset the balance of power in Europe'. They fear the Russians, they've quivering in their boots, some things just never change.


"guess why Georgia did increase its militar spending that hard this year?
25% of there total spending is for the militar..."

To meet the NATO guidelines of spending 2 / 2.5% of a nations GDP on defense. They are not at 25% defense spending.


"invading Ostsetia"

You make it sound like it's a sovereign nation, it isn't.

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