i dont really get the whole Gay Pride week thing - i mean gay is basically normal in todays world you dont need to go around telling everyone on backs of trucks......

its got to the point where the carnival things are not needed anymore cos lgbt people are accepted by nearly everyone and awarness is like 100%...."

If only that was true.  Unfortunately, it isn't.  Even in "enlightened" Britain, I've been subject to taunts and threats of physical violence.  Certain groups of people do not want to accept homosexuality as being normal and do still discriminate, despite legislation forbidding it.  So, unfortunately, the world is not as rosey as you'd think.

taunts and threats of physical violence - when ? im sorry but when i see people walking down the street i cant make out who is gay and who is not - am i missing somthing or is there something these nazi anti gays can see that i cant ?. if you walking around with a rainbow flag your gonna get idiots but there the same type that would mess around with anyone - lot of scum on the streets these days that need to be put in boot camps or put down....

Cloud, I'd like to thank you for wasting vast amounts of your own time, and mine (as I read it all) by taking a torch to my thread, and reinforcing my view that 90% of heterosexuals are homophobic bigots. And its funny how in one post you say you have gay friends, and in another you denounce homosexuality as "wrong, disgusting, and just down right shouldn't be tolerated period". Most of your arguments (hidden in that waffle of repetitive hate messages) have already been discussed by myself and WinME on this thread. No point in starting it all again.

"That's moot though, what's "right" or "wrong" is a personal definition.  You think it is wrong.  You are correct.  I don't think it is wrong.  I am also correct.  There's no such thing as objective morality.  That's why law exists."
Pie, laws can only be objective as those who decide them. Thats why Syrian immigrants living in Canada, as Canadian citizens, are arrested and deported when traveling in America. God Bless the deportation of innocent civilians.

TYMO, the problem isn't random people on the street, it's when you actually tell people you're gay. I know lots of people who say that they support gay rights and the like, but I think they'd be singing a different tune if one of their children came out. At least for the first while. Oh, and an all boys boarding school? Hehe.

John Barrowman is gay? My god Lat, why didn't you say so sooner! All those times seeing him and Yanto and thinking it was all faked! The world finally makes sense again!

> CanadianTire wrote:

> Pie, laws can only be objective as those who decide them. Thats why Syrian immigrants living in Canada, as Canadian citizens, are arrested and deported when traveling in America. God Bless the deportation of innocent civilians.

I think you slightly misinterpreted my point.  I don't think law is "objective", but rather that it's concrete (for the most part).  I can argue about the morality of many things, but in the end it's legality that will determine what the government has to say about my actions.  That doesn't make law any more or less important than morality, but it's important to recognize that they aren't the same thing.  One is a matter of personal definition, the other is a matter of consensus.

My point is that anything is only as "wrong"  or "right" as you believe it is.

Sadly enough, there's always a dunderhead that has a problem with such things, so there will always be some form of homophobia or xenophobia.

Orbit, you are so naive. I don't remember saying that I was "ashamed" of being gay. It's who I am, and that will never change. Just like how I passionately hate when people intentionally type incorrectly. It's just who I am. And coward? I doubt you have ever have ever been in a similar situation if thats how your describing me. How am I supposed to tell my parents that I will never give them grand children to dote on in their old age? How am I supposed to tell my mom that she wouldn't have the opportunity to plan a grand- scale wedding for me that she keeps mentioning? How am I supposed to say to my dad "I like other men", or to my sister "if you have kids, they wouldn't have any cousins to play with"? It isn't as easy as just saying "I'm gay, you're all cool with that right?". And I've already replied to the second part of your post. I grew up having little to no contact with alternate family types. The only adults I knew were a married couple (1 man, 1 woman) with 2-3 children. I live in a town with only 20k population, and most of them live here because their families have lived here for a generation or 2, and don't like change. It's not like living in a city where there are gay clubs and every second street. And your right, I don't need the acceptance of the IC community, but you have no idea what a relief it is to know that there are people out there who are supportive of my predicament.

/me takes the beer, lays it aside, and hauls out a flask of bourbon, several shot glasses, a cafe style table and chairs, and hand- embroidered French tablecloth. I like to drink in style

Elrohir, the whole natural reproduction is something I have though about when it comes to the "Gay isn't natural debate". However, there have been several studies that show animals sometimes exhibit homosexual behaviour. While thats proof enough for me that being homosexual it's a disease or defect with the human mind, it does bother me sometimes. I mean, everyone has those "I want a baby" moments, but then I remember I'm only in my second year of Uni, and those thoughts are way to early to be thinking.

I'm not trying to be mean canadian, but im just saying thats the way it looks.  I think your looking way to much into it.  Almost like your convincing yourself that being gay is a bad thing, and that you just committed an offence.   As you said, its life.  So why don't you do the big thing and include your loved ones into your way of life.

sowwy

Those boobs are so awesome =/