it does sadden me how often some christians talk constantly with nice and happy conviction, instead of talking hatefully and in a bitter manner like the religion's holy book dictates.

"i wasnt talking about ppl like fokker and decimus but ppl like joe4444 and johnwayne"

KTC, I would highly doubt Archangel is a Christian here.  I mean, really, what Christian would accept [queer] marriage and [queer] rights?  Johnwayne said that in the most reasonable way too, that was showing that he was trying to remain positive and embracing Archangel's perspective despite disagreeing, and Archangel just refuses to listen.  That is not a Christian, from what I see.  He preaches that "God says we're supposed to love" and doesnt even do it to others in the forum himself, and also does not quote scripture to back up that claim in the first place.

lolz, regardless of whether parts of the Bible are uplifting or upsetting, we know we must focus on them all.  Its not a "pick and choose" book.  The Bible, as a whole, is right.  I will defend it regardless of what anyone thinks of me.  You're right that Christians should be more positive and persuasive in their conveying the word across to the nonbelivers, but we should understand how to positively go about it, and always do so in the way that God commands.

I like hoe Joe is telling everyone how to be a "real" christian and then in the same sentence admits to going against the word of Jesus Christ himself.
I'm sure we all remember Jesus' speech about how all that was before was the Old Testament and that all that is after is the New, and that we should follow the New and not the Old.

And Joe, I'm going to ask that you not make personal attacks as well =P .

> joe4444 wrote:

> Decimus is notorious on this forum for mocking Christianity in any way he can.  If he agrees with you, thats not a good sign if you are trying to defend Christianity.

no, joe, that's you

whoop, there it isssa, zeh christians are back with a thread

wowie, i ve missed out on 10 pages already o_O

*waves at KTC and fokker

"we know we must focus on them all.  Its not a "pick and choose" book"
erm, ever read the sermon on the mount. its sorta important. its about this guy called Jesus telling us that not all the beliefs of the old testament should be followed anymore. from what I've seen of you in this thread, your entire perspective of christianity relies on ignoring this extremely important passage of the new testament.

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I believe this is perhaps what Fokker was pointing to as well, however, I am having the hardest time pinpointing exactly what you mean and where you are getting that interpretation. If you could, would you please post which part of the sermon on the mount exactly you are talking about? . Thank you .

Oh and hello ..Nemeara.. *huggles* . Glad to see you around again .

this is the only one i quoted and my bible went home with most of my stuff at the weekend cos iv gotta take the train back at the end of term, so can't quote the other passages right now:

"Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you and persecute you;" Matthew 5:43-44

@windowsME to discuss the holes in the bible properly i'd have to do some research and that's too time consuming for my likings

"That said, I still firmly stand on the fact that you live off *just* as much faith as I do when it comes to "science" "

Not faith, by reasoning and thinking logically and being backed up by empirical evidence, it leaves me no choice but to believe that science comes closest at describing what actually is going on.

to put faith in jewish village idiots who vomited something resembling a book 2000 years ago when they were not busy chewing on carpets..

or to put faith in a scientific community where every theory is tested by others and argued freely against..

hmm.. ponder on this i must. this is truly a complicated question.

so turn the other cheek. I'm not trying to denounce your faith, I'm trying to get you to ignore those that criticise you for it.

> joe4444 wrote:

> I think we're starting to see whats going on here, most of the people here hate Christianity and just claim otherwise to make a mockery of our faith.

why should we be different from you?