@ Dragon

So, I guess he should have aimed for the leg ??
Or, maybe, Aim for the gun in the hand of the thug ??

SHould not have shot the guy in the head..........  What does that mean specifically ??

Is there a spot that would have been an area to shoot that would make it ok ?

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By the way Dragon, when you kill 3000 Americans that were on their way to work on fine mourning.......A whole hell of a lot of pissed off Americans are gonna want to kill a whole hell of a lot of twisted bastards who killed our fellow citizens.

Thats the way we roll in America.

Thats the way this old man rolled, when he saw some thugs taking advantage of a person.
They were not content to just "Rob" the store, they were dragging the guy into the back.......The old man took action, fearing the worst for the innocent, helpless fellow citizen.

You should THINK a lot more, before you invoke the memory of 9/11 as a Silly reason why you dont like guns or Americans.

Sure he could have. Why should he?  If you take a weapon to somebody they have the right to use deadly force to stop you in that attack.  He shot them each once, the other guy ran away and he didn't chase him down and shoot him again and again. He stopped the attack so he won't be charged.

Death penalty comes long after the attack as punishment.  This was interference with deadly assault.

Einstein is right, you don't let them take total control of your person or you're dead.

@ Dragon.

when I asked Where would be an acceptable place to aim his gun shot.....??

You wrote:
"Also, shot his in his shoulder? It was close range I assume. It was a trained military. He could have shot the guy in the shoulder. I dunno exactly where would be he best, but I'm sure he knows."

>>>>  I asked this for a reason.   OBVIOUSLY, you dont understand the use of deadly force.
You shoot to kill when you shoot.  Its a mindset.  You aim Center mass, .... to Further that, if you are in close enough range, and you have a clear stationary shot, you aim for a head shot.

Thats how you use a firearm.  You shoot Center of the chest, or Center of the head if close enough.

Once you decide to shoot, you shoot.

I will go back you your 9/11 reference.  ... Leave it alone.  Dont mention it again.   You are better off staying away from that annalogy when chatting w/Americans.  ESPECIALLY Conservative Americans.   

Just a bit of advice for you.   Dont do it.....

Actually in big cities cops are punished for drawing a gun if there's'no justification for using lethal force. They dont shoot unless its to prevent somebody from using lethal force and then its to kill. Center of mass until they stop moving.

There's some debate about that in US. Back when cops carried a revolver they were trained to shoot twice or three times. Then they got outgunned by drug crooks with 15+ shot pistols so the cops went to 9mm pistols. The 9mm isn't a very powerful round so its considered safer for cities and they can carry 15+ rounds ina clip but they're trained to wait to shoot until they need to kill the target and then they empty the clip. So you see loonies shot 60 times by 5 officers. The debate is whether cops should be given a more powerful gun and trained to shoot once like this Marine or keep a weaker pistol and shoot to kill like Marines in Nam

In CA since 2 men robbed a bank in braod daylight in full body armor and shot it up with cops for 2 hrs, police officers also carry an assault rifle in the trunk for piercing bulletproof vests.

Deadly Force is Deadly force.  When you fire your weapon, its to "Neutralize" the threat.....to use your word.

Yea...that means Kill it.....when using a fire arm.

I really dont know anyother way to use a gun.  If you must fire your weapon, you kill the target.
Killing the target, is putting the target down, and out.   No longer a threat.

You dont do that by aiming for the leg, or arm.

Doing that only gets you killed.

I got shot in my shoulder. A nasty hit actually. It was two rounds plus shrapnel up and down my back. I was very mobile and if armed and if I saw an enemy I could easily easily go after the person with intent to shoot to kill

In combat if you dont shoot to kill you will die. Combat is not just wars, but 1 on 1 sudden gun fights.

I was 100% capable of fighting back, though I was bleeding profusely and needed 2 units of IV serum for 20 minutes of bleeding I could have easily done a lot of harm if I was in a situation where I was shooting at police and they were trying to disable me.

And whats worse? Image a guy all drugged up who cant feel anything, but has definitely got a problem with you he is going to answer with his gun.

There are factual events where criminals have had mortal but not immeadiate terminal wounds who who went on to kill a number of people. We are talking criminals missing limbs, with both lungs collapsing, a hole in thier belly, a section of their head blown off, or even with a dozen rounds already fired into them.

My uncle is a great example. The police already knew he was a problem. So when they got a call in the back then small community, they sent four officers to restrain him. Two approached to try to cuff, from behind, and two in front with billy clubs in hand. He put two of them in the ER and the other two wished they were in the ER and half the cities force ended up coming to try to subdue him.

There is a bullet type round fired from shotguns, a beanbag. To be hit by one is to be hit by a baseball going near mach... it hurts like a mofo. It can kill if shot at the head or neck, and sometimes when at the chest as well... but mostly it will turn your muscles to a temporary mess where they should not be able to work. They are trained to shoot a limb first, then another, then two center body shots, then a head shot. The sixth round is always real. Still... there is a surprising number of criminals who make it to that last shot.

There is also another shotgun round. It's a wood plug. It's commonly used in prisons during riots. Fired the way it is supposed to it bounces from the ground and up into people. It hurts quite a bit. But there are instances where even a dozen of these projectiles wont put down a armed inmate, so then a rifle or pistol is used to terminate the inmate before he can hurt someone or kill them.

Shooting to disable is a political correct move which is akin to committing suicide if the other person is armed and intends to fire back.

Uhh, what you mean Flint is that cops should kill on sight IF they have a small suspicion that the "evil guy" is armed in any way. Sounds rather stupid to me.

A guy shot in the shoulder shouldn't be able to move his arm.
Using rubber bullet is all good though.

And I wonder who is so stupid as to to to kill a policeman, it's "death sentence" on that more or less. Meaning the other cops will make sure you die in alot of those cases.
And it's not so smart to fight back either when 4 cops are trying to pull you down (resisting arrest is a crime as well...)

Well the reality we deal with is people ready to kill a cop or three everywhere in this country.  And yeah they do kill people who wave a fake gun at them and the law allows it because of the militant freaks we got. And thats just the US crooks, Mexican army is shooting texas deputies with assault rifles to protect drug smugglers.

I was shot in my shoulder and had 100% mobility still left in it.

You do not need to shoot on speculation, but you do need to down a person who presents themselves as a threat to themselves or others!

Ever hear of suicide by cop? There are many examples where the person will actually start killing cops then to get the cops to kill the person. It's a well documented fact. When someone points a gun at you, you DO WHAT YOU SHOULD ALWAYS DO in this circumstance: Shoot to kill.