Sorry to knit-pick, it is bad form, but

>>This ignores the fact that the dinosaurs enjoyed an atmosphere much richer in GHG than we could ever manage through pollution.

I am pretty sure we are not dinosaurs - who were also cold-blooded and thus needed a warmer climate to exist in, which strangely came about at the same time as higher GHG concentrations

Mammals, yes.  However, until the dinosaurs died (note: as a result of a sudden global shift in temperatures toward colder climates), said mammals were mouse-sized creatures.  This is quite a distinction.  After all, a small mammal has a much easier time relying on the environment to determine the temperature it must survive in (for example, by burrowing in a small hole).  An elephant, in contrast, would largely be stuck with the temperature of the environment and their internal temperature regulations.

(That being said, the lack of large mammals in the environment could simply be because dinosaurs were there first in the "massive herbivore/carnivore" niches).

(Quick google search for a self-fact check)
http://dinosaurs.about.com/od/otherpreh … ammals.htm

Finally, this discussion has now made me want to start releasing more CO2 into the atmosphere in the hopes of eventually being able to ride a dinosaur. 

>>i also meant to point out Yell that the whole the earth is cooler than 15 years ago is false
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2014/04
Warmest it has been in April world wide, and 6th warmest jan - April since records began. 0.77 degC above 20th century april average and trend is going up.<<

I didn't say "cooler than 15 years ago".   The past 15 years have been cooler not warmer. 
If you want to say there's been a spike this year that only leaves 14 years of increasing global pollution without a corresponding increase in global temperatures.

If you want to argue "Pollution creates greenhouse effect lookit this spring" you have the problem of explaining why the trapped heat is heat this year and not for 14 years.

Yell: Sorry did you not look at the records? Temperature is trending up. There was a dip/flatline between 2001 till now, but it is back up and heading up. But I suppose facts are not useful to your argument.

I choose 15 years, because that is about when readings really began all around the world. Although there is greater uncertainty, there are measurements from before and this april was still the warmest during human habitation of this planet.

Or that there is statistical variance in the readings/data because they are a sample not the population, and that the "dip" was within expected error

Let's differentiate between 2 things : global warming and pollution.

- Global warming IS happening. I'll NOT say this is purely due to human interference, though we probably are contributing, but noone actually has any clue to what degree, really. Fact is that temperatures change over the course of time, with or without human interference. Hell, theres quite a few scientists who are saying this is the usual increase of temperature we tend to see just before a big drop, and that we'll have a mini ice age (no, not the wooly mammoth type) somewhere between 2020 and 2030.
- Pollution is bad. Anyone who says differently is just a dumbass. We are killing species at an astonishing rate due to it, poisoning our own habitat, and thus ourselves. If you still think it'll be allright and we can just go on like this, try the following : shit on your couch, then keep using it while avoiding your dumpsite. Keep shitting in your couch continuously and see how long you can keep avoiding it. This is what we are doing to our planet, and in the end, to ourselves. Tip : you can buy a new couch, but last i checked on ebay they were all out of fresh planets.

So the question is not if we should stop polluting to avoid climate change. Climate change will happen with or without us. We should stop polluting simply because it's the obvious thing to do. Otherwise we WILL enter the 4th stage of habitat-related evolution (step 1 : a dirty human in a clean world / step 2 : a clean human in a clean world / step 3 : a clean human in a dirty world - those we've had, there's only one left we havent had yet, im sure you'll figure it out).

The thing is, where in nature the transition from oxygen to CO2 will, in most cases (except in large scale fires, really, and even then) create negligible to minute amounts of the poisonous CO, industrial CO2-production creates vast amounts of CO (incomplete combustion), and im not even mentioning other sideproducts. CO2 is in itself not the issue (though too much is too much), its what we put out there while creating it that IS the problem.

Thing is this question should be easy even for a fool.

Is there higher carbon rates downwind from China? Is there any measurable difference in these downwinds as the winds adjust?

China has thick, many mile wide, many miles high, many hundreds of mile long carbon dioxide/monoxide plumes.

These plumes can be shifted by a wind and have been so affected. They remain one of the strongest tools for saying "where is the heat difference". No one has ever noted any significant change even with plumes of CO2 in 3 to 4 (and sometimes many more) times the normal (current) concentration.

if i get a  real computer isntead of this pos smartphone  i will  go  cite the IPCC reports since 1991 which did not say anything about greenhouse effect taking a  holiday for  15  years

the last time  global  average temps went up for 12  straight months, MC Hammer was bigger than Madonna

Flint you ignorant slut  you are talking about physical clouds of gas!  everybody here is talking about global warming which like skyrim only exists in propriertary software.  just because certain latitudes in the southern hemisphere which are half  bald oceans arent postulated to heat any differently than northern hemisphere  latitudes which intersect the G20, doesn't prove anything!  the model of  earth's climate is an altered amalgam of lots of regional measures that dont acyually  correspond to anywhere! that's science!

I got a laptop thanks, I just don't have a wifi card anymore and no wifi at the house

He lives in California, the tax on the stick is 500% and he tax on the access point is 350%