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Topic: Climate change causes starvation, terrorism, canabalism, nuclear war?

Hold on.  Because we drive those gas-gussling SUVs we get nuked by North Korea?

Say what?  Hmm?  How?


A) An account of a North Korean soldier about starvation in NK.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho … 72552.html

Recent accounts of starvation in NK:
http://www.asiapress.org/rimjingang/eng … m_V004.pdf

The NK regime, in all likelihood is threatened with the collapse of their regime, making them willing to threaten nuclear war in exchange for aid, due to what is probably an ongoing famine of dire proportions going on right now as we speak.

B)  How this famine occurred is simply because of ongoing drought in China:

http://www.ibtimes.com/china-drought-20 … st-554974#
http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/3/417551 … ply-crisis

Food scarcity in China leaves them unable or unwilling to export as much food to NK as  they did in previous years.  China is IMPORTING 5-fold more food than in previous years, apparently because of 'scares' in the quality of domestically produced food : http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2013- … 128926.htm

What China Daily doesn't say is that it is really because of the drought that there is more imported food, as higher prices of domestically-produced food allows imported food to be more competitive on the Chinese market. 

As China is faced with the threat of civil unrest and fall of their own regime due to rises in food prices, it cannot afford to export food to NK, which unlike South Korea, can't afford to import it from anywhere else.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 … 04108.html

C)  In essence, it is food scarcity and increased prices all over the world caused by climate change which is as a root cause of the Arab Spring, and, as such, what is happening in Syria as well.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/ … gests.html

Our use of fossil fuels over the last centuries leads to global climate change which leads to ongoing drought in China which leads to increased food prices everywhere which leads to North Korean famine and belligerent activity in an effort to get aid which leads to nukes flying...





And do we have any sense of our collective responsibility for this sorry state of affairs in the world?  No.  And the person who even suggests such is liable to get attacked and ridiculed by everyone because NO ONE (let alone everyone) wants to take any responsibility for this, in spite of the obvious fact that each and every one of us shares some portion of  responsibility for it.

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Re: Climate change causes starvation, terrorism, canabalism, nuclear war?

You have no evidence that fossil fuel use has changed global climates.

Your ignorance of science doesn't count as science.

Sorry, but nobody owes you anything.

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Re: Climate change causes starvation, terrorism, canabalism, nuclear war?

Mister Spock wrote:

You have no evidence that fossil fuel use has changed global climates.

Your ignorance of science doesn't count as science.

Sorry, but nobody owes you anything.

There is plenty of correlative evidence that the use of fossil fuels has changed global climates, just as there is plenty of correlative evidence that the theory of evolution is sound.

And those who have benefited most from the use of fossil fuels owe those who are suffering most by the effects of climate change.

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Systems of taxation and inter-governmental fiscal 'aid' will probably be akin to systems of reparations as courts wise up to the impacts of various human activities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparation … justice%29

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Re: Climate change causes starvation, terrorism, canabalism, nuclear war?

North Korea has been starving for twenty years, and I never heard China has been unable to export food since the 1990s.

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Re: Climate change causes starvation, terrorism, canabalism, nuclear war?

I noticed you haven't linked us any studies you think are legitimate science, Xeno.

A chorus of ignorant people claiming there's real science is no substitute for real science.

The notion that you've studied the topic is laughable.

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Re: Climate change causes starvation, terrorism, canabalism, nuclear war?

Xeno wrote:

There is plenty of correlative evidence that the use of fossil fuels has changed global climates, just as there is plenty of correlative evidence that the theory of evolution is sound.

And those who have benefited most from the use of fossil fuels owe those who are suffering most by the effects of climate change.




I owe nobody anything. Also, your argument is junk. Everybody knows evolution is a lie just to appease the atheists. Lay of my Jesus!

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Re: Climate change causes starvation, terrorism, canabalism, nuclear war?

Arby3 wrote:

I owe nobody anything. Also, your argument is junk. Everybody knows evolution is a lie just to appease the atheists. Lay of my Jesus!


Yes, it is due to exactly this attitude that I give up.  I tried talking sense into people, but nobody it seems will hear it.

Creationism and evolution are not necessarily contradictory if you think of them from a trans-temporal perspective.

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You said there was "plenty" of evidence. Where is it? Can't find one study that I won't read and find huge flaws in?

OMG I actually read published peer-reviewed text. wtf weirdo! I should just chant with the ignorant chorus, too lazy to actually read what they claim to know/care about.

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10 Reply by V. Kemp (edited by Valcona 20-Apr-2013 13:02:32)

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Re: Climate change causes starvation, terrorism, canabalism, nuclear war?

North Korea is starving because they're oppressed by an evil authoritarian regime with support from both the US and China.

Yeah, when we send them billions in supposed food aid and they demand billions in "shipping" (they demand to be the ones to ship and charge an insane "rate," ie extortion), we're supporting them, suckers.

Not only is your premise retarded, but you've failed to provide ANY scientific basis for your claim whatsoever. If you're going to make an appeal to science, offer us your evidence. It's disrespectful spam to make such a claim and offer NO evidence. What, your last linked study correlating data from thousands of miles apart and from tens of thousands of years apart (pathetic excuse for science) was too embarrassing to top with another?

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