1 (edited by TheYell 24-Jun-2008 07:44:36)

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How do you get motivation and passion? I want to know because I always wanted it, but never am able to acquire it. Maybe it's because I all ready have what I want in abundance for the most part, but I still resent getting easily distracted and then procrastinate as I pursue higher goals. I still breeze through college in the upper 20% despite being lazy and unmotivated etc, but really I want passion. I want to be fueled to reach what I want out of life, like a lot of those self-made millionaires you see born in to poverty.

Advice?

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wow....
/me is honored.

Focus and motivation, fueled by a specific goal.

Off to dinner w/Family.  Mom is in town and off to Air Port later, after dinner.

Let me get back to this, and will post later tonight.  Just general I suppose ?

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justin you serious??

i think this is the first time i've seen you be nice tongue

*claps*

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Passionate and motivated.

"So, it's defeat for you, is it? Someday I must meet a similar fate..."

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yikes

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Leaving the question open, you do realize passion is the opposite of your usual extreme rationalism? smile

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lol @ zoz tongue

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On a more serious note, and despite my surprise, I have to admit I got the same feeling sometimes. I would tell you stalin/hitler/nero/jacktheripper is a goodlooking peacfull warm guy who would never hurt a fly if you were my boss and I need promotion and don't give a damn even if he was my neighboor. I would analyze the cost/gain factor like I do with anything. I analyzed rather then sympathized with others emotions. Out of self intrest I don't bring this forth in RL. So maybe this thread proves me an answere as well.

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Motivation.  Motivation for me happened when I was married, and then even more so with children.

You perform in the top  20% w/o trying.

This is what you perceive maybe ??  Maybe, being such a fierce competitor, you feel you do not do enough to be in the top 5% and feel you can be there ??  As a competitor, competing for grades and knowledge, to beat the set curve by a given professor, you find yourself "only" in the top 20%. 

You know you can do better ??   But, what the hell.  You find school boring ??  I did.  Do you find School is a waste of your time, except for your core 250+ level courses ??  I did. 
I figured I wasted at least 12-15 classes on required BULLSHIT !!!  And that is being nice.

When you hit the real world, thats when it all shakes out.  You make a few bucks, you party, have a good time.....
then that "Lets settle down" bug hits.   And the awakening sets in. 
Now, its not about the next party, or the summer vacation....now your thinking about the mark you will make on this world.

For you.
For your family.
For your community.
Maybe for your country, Church, What ever affiliation.....at what ever level.

That I believe is when the passion sets in that fuels your Motivation.
Your new life experience, job experience, people experience gives you the focus to set those long range goals.

It didnt kick in for me until I was 28-29.  The range you are looking forward expands.   The family arrives.... Now its about feeding and clothing your family, getting a safe and secure home, then, all of a sudden, its about College for my kids and my retirement. 

Can any of you younger guys....you college students look that far forward ?? 
I mean that as a soul searching question.
Its the reason I ride some on this forum for their thoughts, that what they believe can be so ingrained, at this age?   
Most of you will change drastically.

Climbing that sheer cliff w/o safety equipment doesnt seem like such a good Idea when you have a wife and kids at home.
Trying to swim across that rapid moving river, or flipping your river boat in a class III or IV rapid doesnt seem like a good idea.
That four day winter camping trip might not be such a good idea.
Punching out that driver that cut you off, or cursing the dude that just bumped into you....not such a good Idea anymore.
the 48 hour binge, driving that motor cycle 100+ MPH, trusting that person you hardly know........Not such a good idea.

All things I did when I was younger, that I would NEVER do now.  Because, the risk is not worth the thrill ??  Or maybe because I did it already, and I realize how stupid it was ??  I think, its because Im important to others now, more so than I am to myself.  Therefor, I dont put myself at risk.

Justinian,  We (you and I) may bounce off each other on opposing sides....but you will do well in life I believe just by the passion and intelligence you show on this forum.  Yea, we all have fun, ribbing and ripping one and another as a community.  But, the truly smart ones come to the top.  Its shows.

I think you will do just fine.

And unless your setting me up for a kick in the balls, ROFL......thanks for asking me personally.

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I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
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I find that being upset at wrongs motivates me...

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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11 (edited by Theodora 24-Jun-2008 14:17:04)

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BW is [slightly inappropriate]

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Come on Theo....no need to edit that out.

Its good to watch Fools make asses of themselves.

When I write about the people that post on this forum:
"But, the truly smart ones come to the top.  Its shows."

Obviously, the Fool is not included in that group.

Come .......joust w/the master.
I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
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So what it comes down to, on the flip side; you think a broad education is a waste of time, you behaved like irresponsable twat in your twenties, but suddenly you created some offspring and some genetic herd instinct kicks in, putting you on a moral high ground.

Smart answer.

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14 (edited by Gladiator 24-Jun-2008 18:17:37)

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didn't read the whole post, read the top part....

well said. big_smile

and i think i agree with most the stuff you said from what i read, which is kinda shocking, since we mostly have a different view of things.

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@ Zoz....you can make whatever you want of it.

I find Justinian to be of a certain level above most on this forum.

Im a conservative, I dont rate myself better or worse than anyone.   I DO know that most of my courses in College were a complete waste of my time and money.   

I do know that the responsibility of family and raising children make you a different person........thats if you care of course.

Your answer was the smart one.   So smart.

Come .......joust w/the master.
I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
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If your College courses were wasting your time, than either you made bad choices, or you were not College material. Acquiring knowledge can never be a waste of time.

Anyway, what it boils down to is you answering J's question about why you go out to work every day, give all you got, take risks and wrestle to come out on top, beat the other guy to it, with the a rather longstretched and pompous equivalent of "I have to put bread on the table".

Also, the hypocrisy in "Im a conservative, I dont rate myself better or worse than anyone. " is rather staggering.

But I'll grant you that having a family changes everything. However, it's unlikely Justinian was looking for an advice that implied having children.

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"Acquiring knowledge can never be a waste of time."
huh? I disagree firmly and this is comming from someone who never stoped learning even after school.(evening school and such)

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How so? Even if it doesn't serve any direct practical purpose, it can still broaden your mind. If there's one thing we don't need, it's narrowminded or mentally inflexible people.

Elaborate on your point smile

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>>Acquiring knowledge can never be a waste of time."
huh? I disagree firmly and this is comming from someone who never stoped learning even after school.(evening school and such)<<

Ask around!

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20 (edited by TheYell 25-Jun-2008 10:05:43)

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Zoz,

You didnt have to even comment.  You could have stayed away, or learned something, but you are what you are.
You had to thrust yourself into the convo.  So here it is.

Yea....mandatory [crap] courses in college.  Like Humanities, philosophy, art  and to some extent for me, English all at the 101 and 102 Level.

For one, I was able to write just fine.  I was also quite apt at Speech 101 as well, toss that in.  I was addressing large assemblies already, as I was quite a good speaker, and able to deliver a presentation to my fellow soldiers.

[crap] Humanities and Philosophy.......WTF...... I went to good high schools, and had 5 years in the military Infantry, Gulf war combat vet w/the 2nd ACR, and here I am learning in PHI101, "I Think, therefor I am."  WTF !!!!!!!

Or how the white man should feel so bad about himself for the atrocities he brought upon the Native Americans or the African Americans in HUM101......WTF !!!!!!!!

Or in ART150 learning about arches and flying buttresses, fertility busts, and.....WTF !!!!!!!

I have to PAY for this BULLSHIT !!!

Yea.  A waste of time.   Because some leftist-Elitist Socialist believes this is important to me.  F that.  A waste.
I spent 3 years in Europe traveling about to Milan, Paris, Barcelona, Rome, etc.  I saw the beautiful city of Dubrovnik (sic?) while it was still communist, before the Serbs/Croats/whatevers decided to ruin it.

I didnt need an ART class Dult of a waste called a Uni professor bore me half to death w/endless slide shows that put us all to sleep.

I didnt need my Humanities professor to walk into a classroom w/a Pacifier in his mouth, asking us all what we thought of him when he walked in sucking on a babies baba.

I didnt need someone to explain to me how "I think, therefor I am."  So, we really do Exist.

I didnt need some Socialist weanie, tell me the funniest Oxymoron he knows is "Military Intelligence" and chuckle smugly, while I sat in the class 4 months removed from the Battle of Easting.   He didnt need to be eating my boot either in the hall after he called me a Nazi.  Imagine, he avoided me the rest of the semester.

If YOU find these classes informative and entertaining, fine.   Who are you to judge me ??  If you are so defunct of actually educating yourself on these things and fulfilling your day in an enlightening way....... Hey, thats you, let your Uni-Professor enlighten you in the mundane.

BTW, you are not on that list either.  I find you quite annoying, and boring.



Justinian asked what motivates me.  My family, and my responsibilities to them genius.  Why didnt you ask a Uni Professor to show you how to interpret my post ??

Come .......joust w/the master.
I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
Individual patriot, and a REAGAN Conservative.

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You know I thought IA was an ok guy, then he does this to us?

BW you are prehaps the saddest excuse for a human...

you can think all you like of me, cause it means nothing...

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"How so? Even if it doesn't serve any direct practical purpose, it can still broaden your mind. If there's one thing we don't need, it's narrowminded or mentally inflexible people."
Well, its perhabs to complicated for my english vocabulary but here it comes. There are many good things about learning something let us try to debate a few important ones.

practical purpous
Not knowing something you should about a subject can lead to a wrong immage or narrowminded people as you describe but it doesn't necessarely go the other way around. Knowing something doesn't mean you can think broad about a certain subject. I can learn what smilies IC currently has but if I never see nor use them its practicly useless. You could argue it brings "insight" and method to learn, wich brings me to another point but I'll post about it later when I have more time.

age and devellopement
You devellop your mind by learning. It is prooven to a certain extend(not scientificly i.m.o. but ok) or lets say it is semi-prooven that people without education potentially have lower IQ's. Again here you don't know were it stops or begins and if it is true the other way around. Personally,I believe keeping your mind busy with wathever thinking excercise will keep your mind sharp later on. Starting with an education when you are little however is a different matter but I wasn't talking about that.

I'll post the rest later like "insight and method to learn".

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@Fool,
i.m.o. posting insults or pointing at others to justify the insults doesn't make it less spam. Thats still ok if thats not the only thing you do in an entire thread.

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"Oh, and not all communists are left-wing."
That is debateble. If a communist is a self-proclaimed communist then yes. Otherwise you have an uncommon definition for left. But to your defence its a stupid generalisation anyway.

I share BW's feeling of hatred towards the art classes as well btw. Such things should only be done voluntarely. I was lucky enough not to have philosophy. smile

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Americans have to take Ethnic Studies 101 about how white people killed the Indians and enslaved blacks and robbed Mexicans and cheated Asians.  Oddly enough the Irish were portrayed as one of the oppressors.  I got a low B because I had the wrong views on Vietnam. Or so he wrote on my essay.

this thread seems more of a Community deal btw

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Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.