*sigh*

C+P didnt fully work... Spam away!!

15:33    KT    you are full blooded mobster im sure X( i bet you kill ER tonight too
15:33    KT    if you do i will lynch you!

KT, Im willing to die for a cause

I have no control on ER dying during night phase. If it so happens that it does, and ppl suspect me for it, Im all happy to be lynched, and found out that Im town, so that the one making the threats is bought into the spot light, aka, yourself!

Dude I honestly was drunk . I try to put in an effort for once and still make the vote as i (miraculously) get home just in time to get my vote in... not like i had planned it that way, but meh!

Are cats not supposed to have 9 lives? X(

*goes away with those last words*

"1. TBO doing his vote switch was intentional to make a tie and see 2 people go home. thats either mobbish or incredibly dumb. i am willing to lynch for either of those reasons.

Very, very bad.  The idea is to expose voting patterns.  Getting two people killed as a result, is very anti-town behaviour.  He may not be mob, we all know TBO could be  the other option!

"2. While I am not sure what role Zarf is, there were a few of us chatting in #mafia and the decision came about to NOT vote flint and do WC instead. When Zarf seen the vote by TBO to tie it he quickly shifted and went flint. Could it be that it was planned? sure...I don't have a full opinion on that yet."

Zarfs smarter than he lets on, is my view.  Not sure with the history of this, since I was away for the tie.

"3. ER was pushing hard to save flint. So don't be surprised if he dies tonight. Just sayin doc...get on it?"

Pushing hard to save flint, or pushing hard to kill WC?  Given he wanted others to vote WC, and he even wanted WC to die before.  ER was trying to not make a tie, he was trying to get someoene to switch at end of phase.  Either way, can't really get a read on ER atm.

"4. Torq was pushing very hard to kill flint. Could it be that he knew something? Or did he have trust issues from the get-go cause of flint's history? cops...that should be you!"

I wasn't pushing at all, let alone "very hard".  In forum I pointed out why his behaviour was odd and he didn't have any responses to my questions, refer:  http://www.imperialconflict.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=1629819#p1629819 .  Yea, he might have been away or whatever at the time, but he's the one who wrote all that in the first place.  If anything, I put up the most arguments for someone. Granted, it was wrong - but noone came in and said "yea, torq is right" or "we agree with torq".  Yet for some reason, we find Flint lynched.

"If ER dies tonight, then TBO should probably be an easy first lynch."

Try to stay away from this thinking.  A lot can happen overnight - and we need to relook at what happens.  Because, if TBO is not mob, mob can easily use such arguments and what not, to end up getting a free mislynch.

Ok, I stand corrected on you pushing hard. It just seemed like a big blow up between you and flint. I guess it is just a matter of how you read the situation and as I was not there for it I get all the back end stuff.

Obviously whatever happens tonight is going to be a huge difference maker on the decisions made tomorrow. I am clearly looking at the perspective of what happened during the lynch.

Its really hard for me to make a read right now on what the overall schemes were for each player involved. But I have a feeling the next lynch is going to reveal a LOT of info.

huh? First day lynch is always COMPLETELY random from 95% of players, unless someone is stupid enough to spill their role, or a cop investigates someone night 1 and confides in them day 1 (which is still incredibly risky).

What do we know more from ppls votes by what ER did, if anything he has placed himself in a compromising position? There is close to bugger all that can be figured out from the way ppl vote on day 1. I dont understand how you think ppl should vote day 1? You do realise that not everyone that votes is town, right?

Anyhow, I dont mean to argue with a bunch of you guys, since I think the majority of us in here arguing are actually town.

Maybe we should focus our energies on outing those quiet ones!

Here is where your thinking is wrong.  It may not be evident immediately, but it can help later on as the game progresses.

Also, there's always the chance something comes up once somoene is pressured and asked for reasoning on stuff (e.g. Why ddi flint post what he did?  Why did he not answer my questions?  Why did ER tie the votes? Why did TBO want to kill two people? etc).

Another example is last game. Look at first day voting, it helped us uncover Arby (mob) trying to kill Flint.  Even Nolio admitted that he was doing the same thing and that was also a mistake (though noone pinned him as mob for it, except flint (but that doesn't count)).

Also Torq beat me too it X(

And to top it off even more, I know from the 2 previous games I played that if I do not get involved this game gets boring as a townie. So I would like to contribute in any way I can by simply chatting and trying to dissect things to help us out. Never know, might just get lucky and land a mobbie myself.

But even if I don't, I know there are some really good players who will eventually do it.

Glad to hear that Hydro. Townies speculating and asking questions is a big part of this game - it's also one of the best parts. If every townie gets involved like that more information would surface and it would make the "metagame" (Read: Player interaction) a lot more fun for everyone. I'm pretty sure that after this last lynch there will be lots of activity in the chat tonight. And I won't miss it!