> dfsf wrote:

> Stop believing Republican propaganda that Obamacare will cause chaos in the job market.

 So 7 major Resteraunt Chains 
announcing changing their work 
force from full time to part-time 
is suddenly propoganda. So
apparently is the doctors 
turning down new medicare
patients and the lay-off
notices by many big companies 

  It's not the first time that a mandate has been put into law in the U.S, just the first time it's been as a country mandate.  Hawaii has had a state healthcare mandate since the 70's, Massachusetts since like 2007 put in place by Romney, and 2-3 years ago the city of San Francisco even imposed it's own healthcare mandate on businesses and employees.  Hawaii's being more lenient but still a mandate.  In all cases once the dust settled, it came with positive opinions from the general public and very little negative effect on businesses or employees.

 Let us repeat after Chris:
Because Hawaii, San Fransisco, and
Massachussetts is such great places.
Hawaii lives on tourism, Michigan
(which I am not surprised you
skipped) is a hell hole due to 
'Benefits' crushing companies 

The business mandate is actually going to help stabilize the private insurance market during this transition and keep many people employed who would not be without the provision.

 {Baghdad Bob voice}:
There are no layoffs
There are no cut hours
There is no reduction in pay
There is no cuts in hiring
These are all lies! 

It's just like the other aspect that republican's try to feed people about how hospital's and medical practices are going to lose so much money because they will be restricted a little on their charging of patients and all these jobs will be lost etc....

Each Dennys resteraunt will 
lose $150,000 a year to
ObamaCare but their
Profits per resteraunt is
less than $150,000 a year 

They don't want to throw out the other side of it about all the money these hospitals lose out currently to people who default on those medical bills and never pay a dime for emergency care which is required to see you.  You'll now see a drop in that and more of people who would do that if they got sick and couldn't afford it who will be covered and able to get a lower cost plan through the Obamacare plan and in the end balance out to where you'll see very little change in how business is able to be run in the healthcare industry.

Excepting it won't. 
Sex changes
Birth control
Visits for the flu (young people can skip)
My pap smear
A womans scrotum exam
Bicycle paths I won't use
Eggplant meal portions uneaten in schools

.
.

In closing dfsf wants you:
To ignore the costs
To ignore the penalties
To ignore reality
To take one for the team
To stop crying
To live for the people
To suffer for the people
To ignore evidence
To hate Republicans

no scrotum exams for ladies? BUT THAT LEADS TO PROSTATE CANCER

WAR ON WOMEN
WAR ON WOMEN

Hahahahahahahahaha!

I noticed the same thing on facebook as has happened in this thread. Faced with actual knowledgeable people arguing against them, proponents of Obamacare just go silent and leave. None of them even try to respond, because it's just that obvious that they have no idea what they're talking about and are just repeating propaganda.

All the taxes are real. And there are so many of them. And all of the coverage mandates are real, making worse the biggest problem of our health insurance industry. I'm open to people disagreeing. I'm always happy to learn from those with opposing views. But there's just so much BS on the topic that nobody even tries. It's a fact that Obamacare will increase the cost of insurance for all. It's a fact that, if coverage for all is the goal, there are better ways to go about it.

> Justinian I wrote:

> If it's $1,500 a year, then it's pretty easy on minimum wage. You just need 3-4 roommates, and I have no sympathy for idiots who get married and have kids while living on minimum wage.

with minimun wage being 7.25 atm, assuming you work exactly 40 hrs per week and do not take a vacation or any time off for that matter you will make before taxes 15,080.

now at 300$ a month and a deductible of 1500.  assuming you have to use it and spend the whole deductible, comes out to be $5,100 anually, this is for single person, not a family unit which is much more expensive.  tack on taxes and you just lost about 50% of your pay check. leaving you about $7,700 to spend for the year.  an average apartment along with utilities is around $700/month for a 1 br. 

oops you just lost your living space. 

all this is doing is making poor people poorer and hoping they die off faster so the rich can rape there corpses.

"My rent expense is $2,800 a year, or $700 month for a two bedroom unit/3 roommates"

...

"My rent expense is $2,800 a year, or $700 month for a two bedroom unit/3 roommates"

...

"My rent expense is $2,800 a year, or $700 month for a two bedroom unit/3 roommates"

...when did you move to Cuba?

He also lives with 3 other people in a 2 bedroom apartment.  Yay saving money!

Kemp,

That's what infuriates me. I live comfortably, yet the government gives people assistance to buy a home. Seriously, wtf? People expect to live in a 2000 sq foot space all by themselves! And don't get me started on how people have children before they can afford them.

What's also ridiculous is that at minimum wage, ~24% in taxes is completely ridiculous.