Re: pot causes psychosis

http://www.livescience.com/24873-marijuana-psychosis-pot-side-effects.html

So this study shows damaging effects. Discuss!

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2 (edited by V. Kemp 20-Nov-2012 05:47:39)

Re: pot causes psychosis

Crazy people shouldn't smoke pot because it triggers some of their craziness? Shocking information.

They shouldn't drink alcohol either. Or smoke cigarettes. Or fall in love (avoid obsession). Or get into intense situations (avoid adrenaline).

"only a small number of those who smoke pot will ever have a psychotic episode."

It doesn't make them crazy. It's just something crazy people should avoid, like plenty of other things which are not inherently bad or unhealthy.

I have an idea. Personal responsibility! If a few puffs on a joint makes you a paranoid crazy person, stop smoking! If you're already nuts, don't smoke! Problem solved. I'm so brilliant.

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Smoking pot is despicable. But we should support the freedom of idiots to destroy their own lives.

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How does it hurt you when lawful taxpayers smoke marijuana? Why do you care?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azf320JDdqU

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Re: pot causes psychosis

Smoking pot reduces motivation, which reduces national productivity.

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> Justinian I wrote:

> Smoking pot reduces motivation, which reduces national productivity.

That's why Michael Phelps and Richard Branson are such useless losers.

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8 (edited by AdriusAvangion 20-Nov-2012 09:09:32)

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That study is ridicolous. Ive been smoking weed almost everyday for the better part of the last 20 years. Im nowhere near psychotic. Maybe a little wierd and spacy sometimes! LOL!! You cant study X amount of people and then try to claim that EVERYONE who smokes weed is gonna be affected by it like that. People are different and weed effects people in different ways.

@Justinian: Smoking weed is no more despicable than someone who drinks alcohol. The difference is one is legal and the other isnt. One is more socially acceptable than the other. Despicable is a harsh word dude! Murderers and rapists are despicable.

"Smoking pot reduces motivation"

Really? 
Tell that to my brother who works 2 jobs, raises 3 kids and is going to school. Hes one of the hardest workers i know and his kids are well adjusted and doing great in school.

Tell that to my manager who successfully manages the busiest Arbys store in the entire state of Minnesota. Oh....hes married, has 3 kids and owns his own woodworking business on the side.

Tell that to my friend that owns his own autoshop that employs 20 or so workers. Hes also married and has 4 kids, 1 of which just graduated from the University of Minnesota with honors.

Tell that to my cousin who owns and operates a succsessful movie theater that employs well over 150 people. Shes also part owner of a restaurant. Shes married with 3 kids, all of which are doing great in school.

Or how about me....i work my ass off at my job and i got promoted within 6 months of being hired. Within the next 6-7 months i expect to be promoted again. I have a strong work ethic and ive been teaching that to my daughter who happens to be getting all As and Bs in school. Shes a well adjusted good kid.

See what im getting at here? These are just a few examples of people i know. I could give you another 20 LOL

When you generalize and make statements based off what youve seen on TV or in the movies, it comes off ignorant. Not everyone who smokes weed is some lazy retard that sits around all day getting stoned. Thousands of marijuana users live respectable normal lives like anyone else does.

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Justinian I,

That's a huge overgeneralization. Maybe you're extrapolating a little too much from your own experiences. tongue


AdriusAvangion,

You've smoked nearly every day for the past 20 years? You don't sound very poor. Maybe if you had spent that money more wisely you'd be rich like me. Food for thought. I use lawyers to hide most of my money, btw. You'll never tax it out of me. smile

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AA I have LONG contended a certain amount of the population suffers medical level severe side effects from pot.

This study reinforces my claims.

I also contend that a certain percentage have only good effects, a certain percentage have addiction problems, a certain percentage have no real effects and a certain percentage feel the urge to try harder drugs.

This study directly links certain gene patterns to medical issues. Ergo it is possible genetics can play into ALL of my claims.

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11 (edited by V. Kemp 20-Nov-2012 11:45:42)

Re: pot causes psychosis

This study shows that crazy people shouldn't use any narcotics, not that pot specifically causes anything. And nobody contests this.

Unless similar studies tested other psychoactive substances and found no connection, this study is not evidence of any direct link.

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I present to you  the most damning evidence of all.

http://screen.yahoo.com/fit-laughter-174641761.html

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yikes

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Re: pot causes psychosis

> Mister Spock wrote:

> This study shows that crazy people shouldn't use any narcotics, not that pot causes anything specifically. And nobody contests this.

Unless similar studies tested other psychoactive substances and found no connect, this study is not evidence of any direct link.


I agree with you 100% more or less. But pot can indeed cause psychosis. I smoked weed a couple years till the point I noticed it was starting to make me paranoid. The usual everybody is looking at me feeling etc and indeed it was making me lazy/too easygoing.

So I stopped with that since the Cup Final between Spain-Holland and switched too hashies and I am buying the lower quality now, that helps a lot too(well it solved my problem completely:P), seeing the top notch stuff we can buy here, it can/should be considered as hardrugs, while officially according to our laws, weed/hashies is a softdrug. But with the recent progress in growing etc, the stuff we can buy gets stronger & stronger. tongue

So, it doesn't causes anything specifically, but if you aren't 100% sane, it can cause something =P

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You're crazy sober. Stop blaming the pot. tongue

While you're correct to point out that some modern marijuana is crazy powerful, it's still mechanically very different from "hard" drugs. It doesn't do the damage to your body that any "hard" drugs do.

As a psychoactive substance (nobody denies that it is), one should certainly take one's own psychology into account. It can have varying effects depending on the person, their state of mind, and their will at the time. It can be very distracting or help one focus. It can be calming or nerve-racking. The point I make here is that nobody is advocating forcing anyone to take it; that it bothers some people is no cause to ban it.

The significant point to Einstein's crusade against it is that the unusual effects discussed in this thread are very rare and the result of preexisting psychological conditions. They're not horrible ailments inflicted by marijuana; they're interactions of the psychoactive substance with the psychology/dysfunction of an individual. And they're quite temporary.

"psychosis" is an oft broadly used term. Obviously psychoactive substances have the potential to bring it on in some individuals. Hell, I'll wager some people enjoy those times best.

Seeing as all anyone needs to do to avoid this reaction to pot is not smoke it, I think that about wraps up this topic. tongue

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marijuana does not only trigger psychosis, it can also create it

at least I've seen studies been reported like this for several years now

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michael phelps is a loser, he got an entry-level job with no career track and no pension

and Richard Branson would rather whine about being sneered at by Brits instead of becoming the richest man in Belize, so, there you go

"The significant point to Einstein's crusade against it is that the unusual effects discussed in this thread are very rare and the result of preexisting psychological conditions. They're not horrible ailments inflicted by marijuana; they're interactions of the psychoactive substance with the psychology/dysfunction of an individual. And they're quite temporary."

uh huh, and what screening do you recommend? If people are not able to toke without going gonzo, do they get a tattoo on their face or something?

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Why would I care?

If they break laws, prosecute them. If they smoke a joint on their porch with a few beers before making love to their beautiful women, why the hell would I care? I certainly don't want to pay taxes to prosecute people for smoking marijuana any more than I want to pay for the prosecution of people for drinking alcohol or smoking tobacco.

Einstein's cited a study that shows that some people aren't real bright, some people are unstable, some people are very anxious, and these people won't enjoy smoking pot. So what? Who cares? Solution: Don't smoke pot. Imaginary problem solved.

The vast majority of people who smoke have absolutely no problem with it, and these people who supposedly lose their heads all calm down within hours. Nobody forces anyone to smoke. What, exactly, is the problem here justifying wasting billions of tax dollars and locking people up for smoking a plant that grows all over the world and people have smoked for thousands of years?

The Hebrews burned marijuana as incense. Jesus was a Hebrew. And no, none of them were dumb enough not to notice a relaxing and euphoric quality to the smoke.

OHNOES RELAXATION AND EUPHORIA! Sounds evil. Must outlaw. And spend billions combating it to no effect. And enrich drug cartels. And get law enforcement and by-standers killed. ...All because some people who should know better than to drink alcohol or use any psychoactive drug might feel uncomfortable for a few hours if they smoke it? Really? That's all you got? tongue

Sounds sketchy. I'll bet if I researched it, I'd find out that marijuana was outlawed in the USA because it was the preferred substance of Mexican and black people. Oh, wait, I have. Oh, wait, that's why it was outlawed.

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Case in point


These people were NOT crazy prior to use of the drug.



Ergo the science backs my observations

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I don't really understand why this study is significant.  It doesn't say that pot is bad in general, it says that pot is bad for certain people that have a genetic predisposition to "possibly" have psychosis triggered by the use of cannabis. 

It seems similar to certain allergies.  I know people that face potential death from eating peanuts, but if they ever made tried to make peanut butter illegal at a federal level people would rise up in protests.  All this study does is reinforce the idea that it is extremely difficult generalize what is healthy on a for everyone, as it varies from individual to individual.

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people who smoke pot should be put in concentration camp

with pot

you'll have people fighting to climb the wall

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@ Undeath

they already banned peanut butter from schools

and you don't see free peanuts on airlines

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> The Yell wrote:

> @ Undeath

they already banned peanut butter from schools

and you don't see free peanuts on airlines


They aren't banned in all schools, there is a separate lunch period for kids with peanut allergies here.  And southwest still offers free peanuts!

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There is a push to ban eating peanutbutter and peanuts in public places as well as making a seperate, secure and enclosed space for bulk peanut sales.


In any event I have claimed certain things and this supports with solid genetic proof I was correct on one.

I look forward to further studies validating my "No Pot" stance on a genetic level.

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If the justification for no pot is that some people are genetically predisposed to an increased chance at harmful effects, I expect alcohol, tobacco, pain killers, any other narcotics, anything containing gluten, anything containing lactose, nuts, and anything else that may cause someone harm due to their genetic make up.

And bees, bees kill people too.

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