Re: Let's talk about hate!

With Genesis closing a thread based on his opinion it is a "hate thread" I decided a political talk on hate is in order.

It is of my opinion some hate is good, some is bad, and that speech, unless it is intended to do harm, should not be silenced.

Let me be candid. I hate racism... I loathe it. I would love to be armed with a bayonet, be given legal orders to go into a crowd of racists, and be allowed to kill them all. Yes... I hate racists. Is it bad to hate racists? Not in my opinion.

I also hate people who deal drugs to children, child molestors, terrorists, Noir andcar thieves. Heck that ain't even a partial list but it will do. I also hate what Obama has done to this nation and Putin for what he does, Iran's leadership.... shoot I need to stop listing.

The point is... everyone has something they hate. Maybe they hate hunger or landmines. Maybe like Genesis (my opinion) they hate Republicans. Maybe they hate opera or rap. I hate tomatoes. Oops there I go again. But tomatoes are wretched... slimy, sourish, spongy.. ick.


Some hate is of course bad. If you hate someone for their success... also known as envy sometimes... it is a bad hate. Some people hate on children, others women. This is clearly bad in my opinion. Racism is a form of hate we all know... but in some cases for some reasons some tolerate it which confounds me. There is a lot of hate at Christians right now... which is confusing since modern day Christians are very giving and forgiving. There are some who even self hate and hurt themselves over it... hard to support that form of hate.


So is hate good or bad? I believe that hate is a contextual thing. For instance Kemp hates Communism because he knows it destroyed economies, cost tens of millions of lives, and threatened war constantly. He directly relates Communism to those (and probably more) things. In context most would not like those results, though some haters probably did.

In my view Chris hates Obamacare while Genesis can see no flaws for to him (in my view) it is the beacon of purity we should all worship. Btw I really hate this shirt I am wearing it rides up my belly a lot...... oops there I go again. I hate drugs with a passion yet Kemp (as shown extensively in our debates) is for at least some legalization.


Is there chances for hate to spill out of control? Yes indeed. If I grw a disease for bell peppers (gah, hate those to!) and destroyed most of the bell pepper crop then I am doing evil. But if I order pizzas minus peppers then I don't affect anyone negatively. If Genesis hates Republican ideals that's quite fine... but if he uses his powers to censor them whenever possible it might be a bit wrongful.


If I don't read gay porn I am not hurting someone. But if I pull the gay porn from someones hands and burn it then I am affecting them. Ergo is is our actions that we should be judged upon and not our differences.


In conclusion.... yes I hate. And since someone will bring it up yes Jesus said we should all live like brothers. He also kicked arse at the temple steps on money changers and put the smack down on a certain fig tree. So yes I hate, and I also love. We all do. Trying to say hate is banned is funny, for there is no way there is a hate free human on this planet.

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hate doesn't exist its just an excuse X(

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I don't hate republicans, I just don't identify with most of their beliefs and ideology. I am probably biased since I am european and here the republican party would be considered an extreme right wing party, whereas you guys don't really have left wing parties in the USA, not important ones anyway.

Seeing Obama try new things in the US which brings you guys closer to us (as opposed to always the other way around) is of course a good signal for me. I really like the US, but I believe you have some fundamental flaws in your country, and welfare issues are clearly the ones that stand out the most. I don't know how the so called most advanced nation on earth allows its own citizens to die because they have no way to afford medical treatment. It really is beyond me.

It is however a matter of opinion. I am free to disagree much like you are free to disagree with Obama, which you do quite a lot btw tongue just in the front page of Politics you started 5 threads with Obama mentioned in the title!

As for Spock, it's just a matter of respecting the forum rules, and people's beliefs and ideologies, even if they don't match your own. Nothing else.

I hate boiled fish btw. Always have. X(

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aw you prompted it  I was saving it in the other thread

since communism doesn't respect anybody else's religion or society or interstate union, it is definitely more hateful than the GOP

and therefore it should be banned from IC forums

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Re: Let's talk about hate!

I find hate is always bad.
Hate isn't rational.
Take your example on racism for instance. Sure you can kill racists, but violence drives to extremes. In my opinion it's better to let the law deal with them. It is (or should be) objective.

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blind hating is irrational and wrong (I agree).

But, what about rational hate? By delegating dealing with hate to the law, is it not a shift of personal responsibilities and shifting it to an authoritative figure, that, ultimately derives from views of its people?

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I want to weigh in, but if I use the word "hate" to voice an opinion on the subject your thread will be locked!

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Primo

Hate is not always bad. We hate murder, we hate slavery, we hate hunger, we hate diarrhea, we hate long waits in the cold.

It is a rational response to something that either affects our morals, effects our well being, or affects upon us/others negatively. Oh and also affects our distastes (ewww sour cream!).


Hate is usually rational in nature. It is when we are controlled by our hate that we can become a problem.

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You didnt address Genesis comment about your powerful nation not being able to afford Medical treatment.

I want to hear your thoughts on this matter.

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1.  Emergency care must be provided without regard to payment.
2.  Most other treatments are accessible to the indigent and elderly as a government benefit.
    The healthcare "crisis" in the US is that cancer or other serious medical coverage will financially ruin you.
3.  "Financial ruin" in the US means you file bankruptcy, keep the house and car and household goods, and up to $1.2 million in a retirement account*, and wipe out hospital bills and credit cards, and then for a while you have to live       without borrowing.  *not legal advice so ask an attorney first.
4.  The largest European healthcare system covers what, 80 million people?  You don't pretend to cover 450 million Europeans with one outfit.  If you mandated that doctors in Edinburgh charge what doctors in Athens charge, you'd screw it up too.
5.  Without universal coverage, our Health and Human Services budget is already $911 billion.  That's 707 billion euro to assist 308 million people WITHOUT  a "universal healthcare" program.  http://www.hhs.gov/budget/
6.  If the Liverpool Pathway were adopted in the US the attending physicians would be prosecuted.  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9644287/NHS-millions-for-controversial-care-pathway.html   It seems the caring nuturing humane welfare state has a limit, same as our system, and if the system says you're to be screwed, you might as well emigrate to America.

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The thread is about hate.

Not healthcare. If I was a mod the previous two entries would be edited out.

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> Einstein wrote:

> The thread is about hate.

Not healthcare. If I was a mod the previous two entries would be edited out.


Good job your not then =p

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*expresses hate for the post above his own* tongue

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I *HATE* Trains

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yikes

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^^ emotional trainwreck

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Okay, guys, back to the general topic... let's try not to...
*slowly puts sunglasses on*
Derail... the thread.

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I hate how Chris won't overthrow the Republican Party from within.

I hate Zarf's train of thought. (Pwnt)

I will railroad any attempts to derail my thread X(

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Hmm... I think these jokes are starting to... run out of steam.

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Re: Let's talk about hate!

A lot of the negativity over hate is equivocation over the meaning of the word. Of course unhealthy obsessions which cause harm to the obsessed are bad, period. But when someone uses the word "hate" to describe how they feel toward something they find excessively disgusting and atrocious, they're certainly not necessarily talking about disdain on that psychologically unhealthy level.

Some people hate oppression. Some people hate cancer. Whatever one makes of these statements, it'd be a stretch to claim they're equal to hating a race or something evil like that.

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i think zarf stole my train of thought sad

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you're going off the rails on a crazy train?

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this thread is a runaway train

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Don't be hatin my thread on hate.

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