thanks, that is very helpful, you are a born debater.
never had constructive feedback like this before.

> Mission wrote:

> 1) no
4) no
6) no

points arent numbered noob

> [TI] Primo wrote:

>
- You do not war/raid/op during exploration phase ( this will require explo to end after 2 weeks of round or so)

I would advocate not an absolute number of days/weeks, but rather a relative one, such as a % of  the amount of days in a round. In a galaxy such as mw, 2 weeks without wars/raids might be feasible as families are (compared to PW) far apart, have tons of systems to spread to, and the round is long (2 months). However, in a 6 week round, 2 weeks will quickly cover 33.3333...% of your round in which you are not allowed to war, raid or op. That'd be ridiculous.
Also, the notion that you are not allowed to do any ops during this period of time needs to be specified more as well. Of course self ops like SA and NF should not be affected (otherwise, for examplle, custom races with SA will be less evenly pitted against revalons as SA is one of their major advantages throughout the round). Ops such as pi/ip/infil/sot should not be affected either, as otherwise you'd just be clearing spread blindly leading to possible huge losses on bombers. CPFF's, Sabs, and DU's are very nice ops to help clear planets without having to jump loads of fleet during the early round, which should be considered keeping as well. I'd advocate only preventing the heaviest of heavy ops, such as nukes and hypnos, and possibly estorms, and OH's.

- You do not farm small families. If a family is significantly smaller than you, you do not war them, you do not raid them. Sure, you can take an occasional planet, you can clear them from your systems, and MAYBE you can clear a system you share with them. But you do not actively look for their planets and farm them.

I agree with Lee, you'd need to set up a specific borderline, perhaps a % of NW or planets, or a combination, under which you are not allowed to attack  on a grand scale by honor.

- You do not demand planets for a NAP, you take what you think is a fair amount (fair amount will be discussed later) and you NAP, in theory someone could offer planets for a NAP, but you do not demand.

Agree with Lee here. As long as you keep the planet demands resonable (so that the total of planets you've taken at the very least definitely does not cross the % talked about in your last point), you should still be able to demand planets, as this can save infra and time for both families and keep the losing fam in a competing position rather than ruining them through infralosses.

- You will not make Perm-NAPS without having had a proper war with the NAPPED family.

What about a family who's HS is 3 ticks from yours? That would be one hell of a messy war come cancellation time, ruining both fams.

- You honour NAP and other deals unconditionally. You (your family) agreed to the deal, so you stick to it.

Of course.

- You do not take over x% (to be discussed) of a families planets. Your enemy is playing this game too, don't ruin their fun by terminating them completely.

Of course, I always aim to maintain 15% of planets, unless I feel that the other fam has treated me dishonorably or negatively in any way, then I may go up to 30% (essentially ruining a fam's competing chances). There should still remain some leeway to ruin fams that beg to be ruined.

Lee, there is no need to Pnap a small family if you don't intend to attack them anyway, see my 2nd point.
The incredibly close families is a fair point by RD, however in theory an 48 hour nap would do the same, as neither party would be gaining in cancelling it, it won't get cancelled.
Just because its an 48 hour nap, doesn't mean it HAS to be cancelled.

As for no wars/raids/ops in explo, this is not farmville, no. But better infra makes for better wars, and more competition. You just have to make sure explo doesn't last as long as it does now. So smaller galaxies.

more later.

i never said you couldn't clear some planets, there's a difference between that and a full out raid/war/nuking/killing pop

Lee, your the imperial farmer. 

Primo,  there was an old code of honour,  perhaps we can locate it and make adjustments?

These codes need to be enforced as we have too many players who just disrespect every ounce of honour in this game.

It is easy to get old honor code back... way back machine.

The problem is it was badly written and kept losing portions. 50% NW rule.... gone... 50% planets... replaced with pmode....  etc.

> Orbit wrote:

> Lee, your the imperial farmer. 

lol thanks!

but seriously name 1 fam i "farmed" i bet you cant. besides you cant talk.

ur one of the most un-honourable players known, the way u chated when a mod was un honorable, perfect example wouldnt u say?

- You do not war/raid/op during exploration phase ( this will require explo to end after 2 weeks of round or so).

This is jusy silly. Most raids occur b/c 1 family is wise to the weak defenses of another family. Remember the conflict thing. If you properly defend your infra you don't have to worry about being raided. Don't we all hate that player who put 3-6 lasers on their planets during the first 2 weeks of round.

- You do not farm small families. If a family is significantly smaller than you, you do not war them, you do not raid them. Sure, you can take an occasional planet, you can clear them from your systems, and MAYBE you can clear a system you share with them. But you do not actively look for their planets and farm them.

Farming has been part of this game since the beginning. And we all have been farmed at some point. If you are smart you will offer up some planets so you don't get farmed and both families can keep growing in peace.

- You do not demand planets for a NAP, you take what you think is a fair amount (fair amount will be discussed later) and you NAP, in theory someone could offer planets for a NAP, but you do not demand.

I have to agree with Primo on this one. If you are going to war or attack a famliy do it all the way. Don't take 30 planets then ask for 50 planets comp. Go after all 80-100 planets then offer up a nap. Plan your wars don't allow some hot head to start a battle half-arsed.

- You will not make Perm-NAPS without having had a proper war with the NAPPED family.

I agree. I have always hated offering a weak neighbor a p-nap then later in the round they are stealing my expo space and we were protecting them the whole round by keeping the cores clean.

- You honour NAP and other deals unconditionally. You (your family) agreed to the deal, so you stick to it.

Duh. I wish the other agree'ers would hold true ingame what they say in here.

- You do not take over x% (to be discussed) of a families planets. Your enemy is playing this game too, don't ruin their fun by terminating them completely.

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Which means, don't attack back if you don't want to be squashed.

Even into beta 3 The Vorlons got his butt handed to him after attacking Furious Wolves. I am not sure if beta 1 or 2 had end times announced at the start of the round as it was before my time.  But also many modern features (map tools/VIP tools) didn't exist. But honour comes down to the players. If the top few players now were wishing to enforce a fun honourable game rather than form super families and not worry about 'winning' then as Altruist says the game could become more honourable.

And of course everyone has lost by chasing the wins as the game stopped being fun - especially for new and casual players.

we;ve gotten to the point where we can't do anything but enforce it
if you start a strong fam with good intentions, there's stilla like a 50/50 chance you'll get raided in the first week, and won't recover.