This isn't a ba idea. The drawback would be that it increases farming by lowering the rate of networth growth thereby decreasing the gap between large and small fams. If fam networth protection were increased then maybe this idea would be possible.

The problem is that this reduces incentives to train new players.

If, in the most extreme example, ALL OB and empire size penalties were incurred as a family rather than individually, there would be little incentive for a family to distribute its construction among all players in a 12-person family.  Instead, there's an incentive for a few active players (probably the drafts) to employ a parasitic strategy of taking planets from fam members to put all construction in the hands of the few most active players.

Right, but this system doesn't promote a fam being active.  It promotes 4 players being active and the rest either being attackers (so very little building, and thus very little penalty from fam OB), just sending out 8 expos/passing consistently, or going away until a random who will get with the program shows up.

> Paininside wrote:

> so whats the difference now then? anny proper fam wont have much in bank unless planned for a jump, if a inactive gets online and askes what he can do, the answer usually is nothing cuz theirs nothing in bank inactives dont grow properly whatever rule or reason we can think off.

I never said it would promote leaving inactives behind.  Let me rephrase this whole thing.

Say a fam has 8 active players, the fam only needs 1 or 2 active bankers (one pop, one CF) and 1 or 2 resourcers (one farmer, one iron resourcer), because every other player in the family can just pass those two their planets, and there is no benefit of dividing up planets among players to avoid large empire size, since everyone incurs large empire size.  That would mean the only slots left for the other players would be attacker.  However, as we've seen, the general strategy with attacking is often to jump on or two big attackers, with others in the family being retakers or doing very minor roles.  Thus, the family only needs, at an absolute maximum, 6 players.  The other players can ONLY contribute to the family by sending 8 expos and passing them to the core bankers/resourcers, regardless of their activity.  Even if a banker is on 10 hours a day, if the other 2 bankers are on 13 hours a day, that 1st banker is relegated to being crap.

Example is 05 last round though.

We had 4 players 3 weeks in, then over the next 3 got 5 randoms who we got active and built on and managed to get up to 2nd from being down in about 14th midway through. If we did as you suggested, that would be near impossible for us.