because most races are already proven not to work after years of IC existing. Also if a family wants to try to compete the leaders usually want their players to just pick common races that they know will work.

Try ME plz
Income: 50%
Research: 30%
Attack: -30%

  Spells
Space Amazement
Operations
Planetary Infrastructure

Specials
Tax Office

This raceis inferior, simply an nerfed version of revs, somebody please tell me if im mistaken...

Hmmm... Moving to Strategy.

Will leave the redirect up for further discussion.

Well, IC is a family oriented game, but a family cannot deny you the right to play SS as long as you're active and do nothing that's harmful to the fam. By that I mean random ops or attacks, as that would get you the rogue tag. You're free to choose whatever race you want. That's why we all have our own accounts. We play them our way, and not by the way of some other players diction.

lol Dixie, your race has my blessing. It's more than playable. If any of your fammembers still has problems with that refer them to me, i'll explain every last bit of the maths to them if necessary. Point them to my tag first though, so they think before they start a discussion

edit : and now i found out this is for PW too ... what ARE those fammembers going on about? PW is THE galaxy to try out different things, if she wants to play this race, then she plays this race. Hell, i once tried to play pop with own food production in PW and still ended up 2nd best banker that round, and indeed i found out it doesnt work, but i had a lot of fun and learned a lot about finetuning your infrastructure. If winning is more important than having fun and learning more about how to play IC, then PW is the wrong place to be, go be an arse in MW or something ...

> SunShine wrote:

> Try ME plz
Income: 50%
Research: 30%
Attack: -30%

  Spells
Space Amazement
Operations
Planetary Infrastructure

Specials
Tax Office

>This raceis inferior, simply an nerfed version of revs, somebody please tell me if im mistaken...

Actually all custom races for popbanking will gravitate towards something rev-like. That said, this race has Space Amazement and 0% magic, at the cost of 10% income and 10% popgrowth. Now let's look at some realistic figures :

- 50% instead of 60% income : this makes an effective difference of 6.6666% income per tick. This will be offset by the Space Amazement, and will only start to matter when there are no more planets to explore. In PW, where 90% of the round is explo phase, the gain period is simply too small. So, with 8 explos per day and low infra ob at the early stages of the round, the SA will heavily outweigh the 6.6666% extra income, saving lots of money in exploration, allowing for earlier exploration and thus earlier no-ob building, making more money faster, which will allow for faster growth etcetc ... in the end, it will make you a lot more money, actually (in the case of an active banker anyways, this does not work on a banker who logs in only 2x per day).
- 0% instead of 10% popgrowth : yup, this loses a few turns in popping up new planets, or after being opped. Once planets are fully popped up and being jumped, the loss is negligible though. Since popbankers spend a lot of time sitting on fully popped planets too, the loss is even further reduced.
- 0% instead of -10% magic : requires paxes to have 11.111% more wizs to op the same number of wizs at same efficiency. The gain is even more impressive for races with lower magic bonus than a pax trying to op this banker.

All in all i think it's a matter of taste and playing style, this race will perform just as well, if not better, than a rev in the hands of an active banker. As a bonus, it allows for supporting attackers with that PI. I truly dont see the problem you have with it

> SunShine wrote:

> this is a strong argument, if she had said any of this when i argued with her instead of threatening to quit, i may have heeded her. for the record though, i still disagree with you.

>quote : "50 v 60 income: saying 6.66% sounds small, but the fact is youre throwing out over 1.5 ticks of income every day.  SA is a good get (the only real advantage of this race imo), but if you explore smart, 20-30 eships at a time, you can get by without it, in fact most popbankers do."

as said, if your bankers are inactive or semi-active, this holds true. If you have a banker (like dixie) who is on 16h per day, SA will allow you to explore at 16 explos allready and still make a gain compared to banker without SA who launch at 24 each time, with the added bonus that you build a lot of cheap infra a day earlier each time. This will speed up the reinvestment cycle, and actually improve overall growth of the fam (as everyone knows, the sooner you start making more money, the sooner you can reinvest it into making even more money, which will make even more etcetc).

>quote : "0 v 10 pop: suggesting that taking an additional penalty to popgrowth in a short lived galaxy like pw is silly.  10% is low enough, and if you want to run a custom race, it should do something DIFFERENT than revs do, and this is a key area that could be improved, not slashed further."

i've said it before and i'll say it again, popgrowth bonusses are highly overrated. The points you invest in any bonus over 10% popgrowth bonus are better spent somewhere else, the number of turns gained to achieve same pop get ever smaller and smaller. Sure, 50% popgrowth WILL pop up quite a bit faster than 10%, but its NOT worth the 40 creation points for sure. Furthermore, as said before, popbankers sit on fully popped up planets a LOT of the time, in which case there is absolutely NO difference between -30% or +50%, making the 'put the points somewhere else' argument even stronger.

>quote : "0 v 10 magic: if a pax wants to kill your pop, its done, whether you have 0 or 10% makes no difference at all.  the only instance this would help is if a random opper came after you, and having enough wizards should cover this. as for non pax oppers trying to kill your pop, it isnt that common of an occurence, and if they are determined, the same applies."

It's PW, with low number of poppers and quite a bunch of bored paxes. Any extra protection you can get against random ops is a bonus i'd say. Just an opinion though

2 more remarks : first, i'm just defending this race as a popbanker in PW, this doesnt mean i would actually use popbankers in PW myself, to be honest, i probably wouldnt. Second, Dixie designed her race not with the intention of doing something totally different than a Rev, but she REALLY wanted SA, so custom was the only option. Anyways, i'm still convinced this race will work at least as well as a Rev, and definitely a lot better than a Pax as you guys also came up with.

This race isn't the worst I have seen, at least she will defend her pop 30% better than the race I have given as exemple for same amount of wizz, and since she is active PI will be appreciated.

PW will be short (6 weeks), return on investissement must be fast, more pop growth and more science could have been useful.

I guess Dixie is more worried to lose her pop than trying to optimize her race.

Women need to be safe, it's genetic since prehistoric times. It's to grow their babies safely.
Leave Dixie grow her pop safely, you can't argue with genetic!

And u got a good active random with her, that will compensate 10 times the % lost here and there

I think pax popping is such a waste of life But I do think that if there is a better race than why play a nerfed one. If Dixie pick that race to have her pop well defended than I guess her race is do-able. I would probably argue with a person who went with that race as well      lots of <3 to you dixie!

Yes teddy, i know. Its called penis-envy

> Zidi wrote:

> > Teddy[M] wrote:

> I think pax popping is such a waste of life But I do think that if there is a better race than why play a nerfed one. If Dixie pick that race to have her pop well defended than I guess her race is do-able. I would probably argue with a person who went with that race as well      lots of <3 to you dixie!

Pax popping is fun. Throwing out 15 ops a day and not getting opped in return. Good feeling not being useless.  That said, i'm only doing it because my family was down to 4 members and we needed a pop banker to be not die, so i converted from resourcer to it. Sure i'm making 3mil less then if i was revalon, but given we spent a good portion of the round in one war or another, its probably meant i've earnt more then i would of if i'd been opped a few times. And my natural wizard defense is enough to shut-down cfers with OH and op other revs my size...

So while some races make less income it doesn't make them useless.

Pax pop may be defensible in very narrow situations, i.e. a fam in which you described. But I would argue that in your situation, in a mid-small inactive fam, pop'ing may not even be optimal due to constant fighting and therefore ops. Thus, if we establish that large fams tend to benefit way more from poppers than small fams, I would say that Partaxian Popping is a waste of time. That 30% income loss is really unacceptable as even a 10% loss in income isn't compensated by the extra 20% in research that a custom pop brings to the table.