Topic: Parents to run their own school

I will admit now that the only reason I'm posting this article is to confuse Americans. Why do I think this will confuse Americans? Because the parents decision has nothing to do with religion!

For those of you that don't know; most home schooled children in the USA are usually home schooled by their parents because of religious reasons i.e. Cuppajoe Junior High refuses to teach Creationism in Science class.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7449484.stm

I say good luck to them, but I hope the parents will be as thoroughly vetted as teachers.

"So, it's defeat for you, is it? Someday I must meet a similar fate..."

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No they won't be.  There's a California law supposedly mandating that now, because a loophole was closed by a court, but nobody's going to try to prosecute a family for raising their children.

The way we handle it is to compel the kid to pass tests to graduate just as if he were in a regular school.

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Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

3 (edited by Black_Wing 12-Jun-2008 14:20:51)

Re: Parents to run their own school

phhhttt.

Parents in the US have run schools for ages. 
We dont rely on GOVT. to run our schools......until recently.

FOKKER what is the correlation between Home School and Religion ??

How about, just so most of you know, Most socialist Govts run their children through public education.
What correlation does this have ??


The Bronx New School was a program set up by neighborhood parents frustrated with the sub-par level of education their children were receiving.  With the help of a city Council member, and a state assemblyman, the managed to get a designation fro the School, PS-51 and then a waiver from having control of their school run by the district.  In other words, they were funded by the Dept. of Education, but not run by the dept.

Parents held committee spots to interview and hire teachers.  Another committee interviewed and hired administration.  The school secretary was a parent.  The School security officers were parents.  The asst. teachers or paraprofessionals were parents.

The school promised to take only 1/2 the funding per student that the other district schools received, as long as they run the budget.

The school excelled.  The Students performed brilliantly.  Most went on to top notch middle schools.....word caught on, and every parent in the district were trying to get their children in that school.  Siblings automatically got enrolled.

Its a model that has caught on, and many model schools like this have opened through out New York City.  Some are called charter schools.  Others are called community schools.   They are all funded by public money, but run on a cut budget by parents.


And, to think, they dont have any religious affiliations.

But, what if they did ??  What is the coorelation ?

Cant have evil religious people raising their children ??   
Unless they are radical Islam in the Middle East....that we just blame on America and Israel ??   Its their fault.

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<FOKKER what is the correlation between Home School and Religion ??<

People who disagree with what is being taught in schools usually hold these feelings as a result of a conflict between the curriculum and their own beliefs. Or, in other words, Religious nuts choose home schooling.


<How about, just so most of you know, Most socialist Govts run their children through public education.
What correlation does this have ??>

So?


<snip>

Sounds like one of those evil schools we have in europe, you know which ones I mean, those ones apparently run by Communists, Socialists, Unionists and Bogeymen. In fact... funded by but not run by... it IS one of those evil socialist institutions! Argh! The Euros are invading! To the hills!


<But, what if they did ??  What is the coorelation ?>

Provable, researchable scientific theorem > Religious scripture
Especially when the core of the discussion is a school, a place where we send our children to enable them to enter the adult, working world with the best possible (to be read most useful) start.


<Cant have evil religious people raising their children ??>

Religious people having and raising children is not part of the discussion and therefore your baseless assertion is irrelevant. And highly assumtive.


<Unless they are radical Islam in the Middle East....that we just blame on America and Israel ??   Its their fault.>

Irrellevant. Baseless. Assumptive.

"So, it's defeat for you, is it? Someday I must meet a similar fate..."

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Well, what you may see as a "Religious Nut"

I see as a "Lefitst-Elitist Euro-Socialist pacifist environmental Nazi."

One is home schooled to believe in God, and be a model citizen.

The other is schooled in the Socialist controlled Govt. bastions of conformity called "public Education."  Where they become model Socialists and perform for the collective.

<Snip>

Oh oh, not another Flag waving, Pledge of Allegiance saying, Religion studies as a class, Church on Sunday, Wacko crazed God lover school in America.

Proverable, researchable Scientific theorem and religion > Marxist conformity to the Collective and deep thoughts toward atheism.

After all, the Big Bang theory explains it all......... There is no beginning, or end.....its well.....the Big Bang.


"Religious people having and raising children is not part of the discussion and therefore your baseless assertion is irrelevant. And highly assumtive(sic)."

Ohhh ???  YOU made the assumption....not I.  YOU have a baseless irrelevant correlation....that I have asked you for ....and you have failed to give me.

"<Unless they are radical Islam in the Middle East....that we just blame on America and Israel ??   Its their fault.>
Irrellevant(Sic). Baseless. Assumptive."


Oh, no.... not at all.  Isnt you Leftist Wackos that believe America and Israel are the root evil in Radical ISLAM ??  Its not religion there........no no.......there, it is a Sociological problem.  Its poverty  and no future, caused by American Capitalism, the greed for oil, and Jews killing Arabs from the American protectorate of Israel.


Make up you mind.  Dude.  Stay focused.


Its your flawed post......not mine.  I only answered you.

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Just wondering....ROFL.....What about the rest of the post,....no religious wackos there.

To counter your flawed assumption........of course you just passed that by......first hand knowledge, not some spoon fed Socialist bullshit your humanities or philosophy Indoctrinator...oh...Professor I meant spewed....oh....taught you.

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Someone please send BW to college. He really doesn't have any idea what goes on there. He thinks there is always socialist professors teaching socialism, but that is wrong.

Re: Parents to run their own school

Not far wrong, since universities won't give a degree without a mandatory class in liberal values.

Religious families raising kids are part of the discussion because we started talking about them.

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Re: Parents to run their own school

Justinian.....I have more education than anyone here thinks.  I know first hand.

I also know that Religion is NOT part of public Education.

Way to much evidence to support my position:


http://www.statenews.com/index.php/article/2008/03/msu_professors_give_to_democratic_campaigns

The numbers correlate with national donation trends among educators, as Obama has earned more than $5 million from educators, Clinton more than $3 million, Romney about $800,000 and McCain more than $500,000, according to the Center for Responsive Politics in Washington, D.C.

Matt Grossmann, an MSU assistant political science professor and national election expert, said educators are more likely to support liberal candidates because of the people the profession attracts.

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I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
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So it's true! More intelligent people are more left wing!

tweehonderd graden, dat is waarom ze me mr. fahrenheit noemen, ik reis aan de snelheid van het licht, ik ga een supersonische man van u maken

11 (edited by &#9773; Fokker 14-Jun-2008 14:36:04)

Re: Parents to run their own school

Which parts of your post reply to which parts of my post? It's hard to figure out with all of the ranting-tangents.

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Also, I wonder if you are aware that in the UK all schools MUST hold an assembly every morning, and that during that assembly there MUST be prayer.
I mention this because it is relevant to understanding. You know, background information.

"So, it's defeat for you, is it? Someday I must meet a similar fate..."

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[TI] Sitting Duck
So it's true! More intelligent people are more left wing!

- Ofc big_smile

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Re: Parents to run their own school

In the Socialist Republic of New York, there is no prayer in public Schools.
Its "offensive" to a few.

Read my 1st post ...... in answer to your "Ranting-Tangents", and illogical assumptions that I smashed.


@ Sitting Duck

ROFL....if you consider Professors and teachers to be "More intelligent."   ROFL.

Funny,  I dont.  I find them to be lazy losers for the most part, that dont have the drive or ambition to make it in the public sector.  So they take a cush safe secure Union job, or gain tenure.....and all is good.

Plus to boot, they have a captive audience of young mush minds and like minded faculty.


ROFL..... An oxymoron.

Intelligent leftist

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14 (edited by &#9773; Fokker 14-Jun-2008 17:56:57)

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"Read my 1st post..."

That's the point, if you can't clear up your post so that it is much clearer as to what is addressing what then the discussion will have ended and the thread will have to be closed (The original poster still has that power don't forget).

"So, it's defeat for you, is it? Someday I must meet a similar fate..."

Re: Parents to run their own school

BW,

I fail to see how any of that is socialist. Everything you suggest indicates that the majority of professors are centrists and have relaxed moral standards. Socialism is equivalent to a mostly command economy. Where does it say that that view is mostly held by professors?

And yes religion is not taught in schools. Why should it be? Empirical data enables us to identify the means to realize a desired outcome. Prayer does not. When has prayer ever worked better than experience?

Re: Parents to run their own school

Justinian....come now.

What is a self-Professed "Centrist?"
A Centrist is a Liberal, afraid to admit it.  There is no Conservatives our that, afraid to say they are conservative.
Call someone a Liberal though, and they go ballistic.


@ Fokker

Then close the bullshit thread.  You got owned anyway.......again.

Is it so tough to figure out parents in the neighborhood took control of a school ?
Or, do you read it as Religious Zealots took control of the school ??

You made one statement......UK schools have a prayer moment.
In the US, in public schools, no prayer....its to "Divisive" or "Offensive to some."

The other statement made ??  that....

Homeschoolers in the US are Religious.
Parents that take control of their children's education are hardly Religious.

Maybe, parents just care about what they believe is a good education ?
Maybe, you dont know what it is to be a concerned parent ?
Maybe, you dont know America ?

Come .......joust w/the master.
I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
Individual patriot, and a REAGAN Conservative.

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> Black_Wing wrote:

> Justinian....come now.

What is a self-Professed "Centrist?"
A Centrist is a Liberal, afraid to admit it.  There is no Conservatives our that, afraid to say they are conservative.
Call someone a Liberal though, and they go ballistic.



Black_Wing, how the hell do you know the inner beliefs of anyone who proclaims themselves to be a centrist?

Hell, even the term "centrist" is misleading, as it doesn't define the issues on which one holds a right view and the issues on which one holds a left view.  It's just a basket term for anyone who doesn't fit in the "conservative" or "liberal" mantra.

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@ Zarf...
agreed.

In the US, a centrist can be a pro-War on Terror-against the Iraq conflict, Pro-abortion, pro-Govt. control, open border/amnesty supporter, big Govt. supporter,  against Gay Marriage,

I hardly call that a Conservative.  That is a liberal.

Come .......joust w/the master.
I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
Individual patriot, and a REAGAN Conservative.

Re: Parents to run their own school

I got owned? I'll have to take your solemn word on that seeing as though I still have no idea what that muddle is about.
If there any any more childish remarks or tactics you'd like to use then take this opportunity because I am currently requesting that a mod close my thread. At least one person today will handle my requests like an adult, and quite frankly I'm surprised it has to be a Mod.

"So, it's defeat for you, is it? Someday I must meet a similar fate..."