Keep it on topic and leave the personal attacks out of the thread, thanks guys! Otherwise it will need to be closed

> The Yell wrote:

> "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa#Criticism"

Yeah sadly nobody was motivated by that criticism to replace her with superior care nor more discriminating fundraising, which is partly why the Govt of India gave this mean old Jesus-freak a State Funeral.

Nobody in the Holy See was motivated by allegations of child abuse to replace (m)any of the clerics involved and see them jailed for their crimes.

"In short this ruling requires Catholic (and other Christian organizations) to provide birth control and abortificants against their will."

Einstein, that is incorrect.  IT states that coverage can NOT BE DENIED.  It basically says that the Church can NOT DENY any member or supplicant due to religious beliefs of the church, to any member within a congregation, the rightt to use contraceptives.  Not ALL catholic churches or church members believe in denying the 'right to use' contraceptives.

"IT states that coverage can NOT BE DENIED.  It basically says that the Church can NOT DENY any member or supplicant due to religious beliefs of the church, to any member within a congregation, the rightt to use contraceptives.  Not ALL catholic churches or church members believe in denying the 'right to use' contraceptives."

It cannot deny them a Church-paid insurance policy that covers those things.  The Obama Admin "compromise" is this:

You have to get new insurance to cover birth control for other people.
It may cost more.
But it won't cost more because of the icky stuff, because the insurer will just eat the cost for that.
We promise!

Which is like saying, when you buy a cherry pie you aren't paying for cherries if the baker agrees they're free.

...I find it odd that any Church would pay for Health Insurance, when their health is in "God's Hands".

Are you telling me the Holy See, has Health Insurance for every american Bishop?

That sounds kinda iffy to me, and doesn't make a lick of sense.

Why would a Church buy Health Coverage for their members, congregation, or pasture's?

Um... since when did most religious groups begin rejecting medicine?

> Noir wrote:

> Religious groups have rejected science since the dawn of time Zarf.

That's irrelevent.  Key very specifically cited one organization, the Holy See.  Attributing that trait to the Holy See based upon generalizations of religion is like saying "Well, of course the Holy See worships Allah!  Islam does!"

"The judgment finds the facts that have been recited, and that Carrie Buck

is the probable potential parent of socially inadequate offspring, likewise afflicted, that she may be sexually sterilized without detriment to her general health, and that her welfare and that of society will be promoted by her sterilization,

and thereupon makes the order. In view of the general declarations of the legislature and the specific findings of the Court, obviously we cannot say as matter of law that the grounds do not exist, and, if they exist, they justify the result. We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, in order to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world if, instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes. [Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11]. Three generations of imbeciles are enough. "

Oliver Wendell Holmes, for the majority, in Buck v Bell (1927).  http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0274_0200_ZO.html

I dunno how long religion has been rejecting science, but its been at least since 1927

Oh Lord thy will be done. That which makes us sin shall be struck.

That will soon be the cry from the Church.

The lefties of the church will soon be the righties of the church, united at last... and they shall sow vengence upon the Democrats and Apostates.

And I, a nondenominational, shall assist them in all peaceful efforts.

Btw Catholics tend to be Middle Class or better. You might lead the Republicans to get 3 to 4 times the funding the Democrats gets, as well as 2 to 1 on votes in battleground States.

Poke your hand in a beehive... so smart!

MR. POTTER:  I see.  I've suddenly become quite important....And you ask me to lend you eight thousand.
Look at you.  You used to be so cocky! You were going to go out and conquer the world.
You once called me a warped, frustrated old man. What are you but a warped frustrated young man?
A miserable little clerk crawling in here on your hands and knees and begging for help.
No securities, no stocks, no bonds,  nothing but a miserable little five hundred dollar equity in a life insurance policy.
You're worth more dead than alive.  Why don't you go to the riff-raff you love so much ask them to let you have eight thousand?
You know why?  Because they'd run you out of town on a rail.   But I tell you what I'm going to do for you, George. 
Since the state examiner is still here,  as a stock holder of the Building and Loan, I'm going to swear out a warrant  for your arrest.  Misappropriation of funds, manipulation, malfeasance...

*******************************************************

VICTOR LASLO:  Thank you.  And welcome back to the fight. This time, I know our side will win.

Which one sounds like a better political strategy V. Kemp? Do you want to beat Obama? Do you want to fly off to America and bang Ingrid Bergman?

You can either gloat that your enemy needs your help or you can link up to kick the ass of the common enemy.

First one is from Its a Wonderful Life and the other is from Casablanca.

ALso

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/38600_843539887358_21706405_45824793_33715_n.jpg

Casablanca is a nice romantic man's movie.  I understand women don't like how Ingrid Bergman gets shoved around like a stray puppy. But that don't matter a hill of beans

its not really you, I just hear a LOT of that "Oho Catholic Church, you have it coming!" attitude.  Fact is 25% of the US population is (nominally) Catholic , and every Catholic diocese - that's the folks who answer phones and keep files and manage properties for the bishop - all of those outfits hire people who aren't Catholic.

So none of them qualify as religious organizations to Obama and none of them get the religious organization exemption, such as it is.

So you got 100% of the Church leadership of 25% of the United States bitching about Obamacare, is that helpful to you or would you rather snark about how stupid they have been (I'd agree btw but still it's still sore subject with many)