Y'all are bunch of uneducated idiots. I can't stop laughing. Just because he won most influential this or some other crap does not mean it is an accomplishment that gives him points for President. You name all these pointless non political personal accomplishments that mean nothing for President. I didn't ask you bafoones for personal accomplishments, I asked for accomplishments that give him points to be President. Learn to read. The only reason you are getting pissed is because you can't think of anything that is worthy, so you get pissy and angry. "He was Governor" would be a good accomplishment. Why you ask; it's because it is an executive job. He has responsibilities the President has but on a much lower scale. 20 years in the Senate would be an accomplishment. It would show some experience and knowledge of what is going on. He is wet behind the ears when it comes to being a Senator. Being in the military would be an accomplishment. It would show that he has a better idea of the needs of the military and what is needed to get the job done.

As for the meeting without preconditions. Why would you do that. Diplomacy is great, but there need to be gives and takes. "If you stop killing American forces, we will meet with you and discuss this and that." That is not a bad thing to say. But saying "yeah, you are helping kill American forces and our allies but we will meet with you to discuss this and that, you just go ahead killing our countrymen", is a stupid way to approach diplomacy. Most of you are so unintelligent that you are not willing to think about what I am saying before making an arse of yourselves. You've done real good at that.

Gladiator, this thread became a joke when you ignored my question. You brought up he was the first this and most influential that. Those are not accomplishments for President. I didn't say qualities, if I said qualities, then 90% of America would make good Presidents. I said accomplishments that give points to be Pres.

The bill part I said maybe because I made the mistake of not specifying that a bill that would meet as a good accomplishment has to be something big. Other that bills, you have nothing. Awards mean nothing. Again you're just upset because you know you have nothing.

I have not changed requirements, I just wasn't specific enough, therefor causing confusion. You are using this as an excuse as you cannot find anything that is a true accomplishment attaining points for President.

1) He has been a Senator for 22 years. He has a lot of experience dealing with Presidents and all realms of politics.

2) He served in the US Military for 23 years, before retiring. He knows what it takes to defend our country. He has first hand knowledge of how it is for our men and women to fight in war. The needs that must be fulfilled.

3) He was a POW for 5 1/2 years. This one is not as much the fact that he was a POW, but the fact that he was given the choice to leave the prison camp and come back to America. He would not leave his men behind, so he opted to stay and continue with the torture and hell they put POWs through. This shows that he is willing to sacrafice even in times of severe mental a physical pain, to make sure he sticks with his men. It shows that he would be willing to do what it takes to keep our country safe. I would imagine someone who was willing to do this would sacrafice himself for his country.

I don't really like McCain to be honest, I would have much rathered Giuliani, but I have to go with what is best. Obama has been a US Senator for only 4 years. He has much more to learn imho before he is a good idea for President.

"Cutting taxes is important to people who PAY Taxes.
You know, the ones in the Marxist mantra from "those that have."

I do pay taxes did you know that?

"One other caveat.  The evil "Rich" are who invest in society, to make it prosper and grow. "

invest in what? society? lol yes they do invest suciety.

"I would like to know the source of that list.  And see what the factors of measurement are."

Never heard of the Human development Index? Men you are really "informed"

Just go here http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/

And BC thanks for the happy moments you are giving me... keep posting... you are a funny guy

"I was wondering....where the US was on the list GENIOUS.
Instead of asking you where the US was, I asked for the source, THAT YOU FAILED TO give.

Do you people really have College education ??  or are you still waiting ??

Do you not need to source when you give facts anymore in college, or is it only in the US ??

hmm...maybe a new thread ??   US colleges, high schools,  have STRICT formats for sourcing.  In fact, my children are being heavily graded on sourcing, in 8th grade.  A great Idea I tell them....they are not to happy about it.

They seem like you Freelancer, are you past the 8th grade ??"

can some one explain me what he is trying to say in  here? i just got lost with all his arrogance and stupidity

And yes US does allways check there sources, its like watching Fox and posting links like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puN9X1mVgRA&feature=related

Where did i fail to give you the source!!!! i gave you an UN site!! because it is an UN organisation that collects and presents the data! If you want to learn more just read things about UNDP

@ Freelancer..
...oh, Im sure you understand me just fine.
You didnt give the source. 

If you did, I would not have had to ask you.
Get over yourself.

Maybe, you are not as bright as you think ?

@ DPS

No, I just dont want to pay even more, at every whim.
Tossing money at a problem does not fix it.

Let me approach it from another angle DPS......I ask you:

1.  Does higher taxes = better service ?
2.  Do you find Govt. to be frugal, or efficient with their budgets ??
3.  Do you understand the difference between govt. and private indsutry....from an accounting standpoint ??

Look at any part of Govt. you wish to.
The number of workers fixing a pot whole, how long it takes them to do it, and when they are doing it.
15 men on a whole, takes them as long as dictated by the union, in the middle of Rush Hour traffic.

When was the last time you visited a Motor Vehicle office ?
Ever seen a Social Security office ?
Visited a Social Welfare center ?
Realized how long it takes to refurbish a bridge or roadway ?
Enjoy the choices of the public schools vs. the private schools, especially in the cities ??

Govt. is wasteful, and in way to many sectors of the economy, spending way to much money, and getting little reward.

OMG DD

you did the same thing i did...listed an accomplishment and showed the quaities that go with the accomplishment that are needed for being a good president LOL

what gives?

BW I agree that government's are highly inefficient with what they do, I was saying rather than say, "Lower taxes." which if anything will make it worse you should say, "Give me my money's worth."  I didn't mean to imply you should demand the government do better and give them more money to accomplish that I was saying I think it'd be more effective to demand the government do better with what they've got.

In a democratic nation the government in theory must answer to the people.  If the people start demanding efficiency instead of just a lower price tag, the government will have to become more efficient or they don't get elected next time.  Now admittedly in the US you are somewhat restricted since if the Republicans refuse to become more efficient and the Democrats also refuse you're SOL and JWF.

"1)    Votes on important legislation and changes the law to be better for the US
2)    Is able to diplomatically get people to like him and listen to his ideas, which would be very valuable in foreign affairs; (given he will be briefed on what he needs to get out of a talk and what is up for bargaining.)
3)    Has graduated from one of the top universities in the world with distinction and has thus shown some very valuable qualities of hard work, intelligence, perseverance and dedication."

they are all qualities he used for his accomplishments, and are usefull for a president you did the same thing i'm doing with: "This shows that he is willing to sacrafice even in times of severe mental a physical pain, to make sure he sticks with his men. It shows that he would be willing to do what it takes to keep our country safe. I would imagine someone who was willing to do this would sacrafice himself for his country."

so you yourself are getting at qualities, and i can derive the same and better qualities with obama's accomplishments...so what's the use of having specific qualities...lol

how come i havent gotten a reply for my post yet

still no reply X(

"I want the Govt. to do more with less.  In fact, I want the Govt. to do less, and let the people/markets do more of what the Govt. is trying to do.  Education, Energy, telecommunications, even maintenance of roads and bridges should be privatized."

Why?

Education, of all, shouldn't be privatized, or good education will only be for the rich... :s