you might aswell put gladiator in the title BC

but you asked, i'll deliver, right after i'm done the portugal game, i feel like you need a lengthy post

"He prevented Hillary from becoming president."
LOL.

@all
It spreads to slow to be a virus, yet to fast to be an original toppic. My conclusion: its multitopic spam.
@yell:
please close this thread before they all start making an obama or mccain thread.

1. Elected Illinois state Senator
2. Elected Illinois Senator to US Congress
3. Delivered Keynote address at 2004 DNC
4. Author of two best-selling books
5. Ran for President of The United States and has won a majority of the states in the Democratic primaries
6. Obama had sponsored or co-sponsored 570 bills in the 109th and 110th Congress, of which 15 have become law
7. Graduated from Harvard Law with distinction
8. Lectured Constitutional Law at a University in Illinois
9. As a state legislator, Obama gained bipartisan support for legislation reforming ethics and health care laws.
10. Defeated Alan Keyes in the largest landslide in Illinois history for a Senate contest.
11. Co-sponsored immigration legislation in the US Senate
12. Passed Lugar-Obama Act
13. Passed Couburn-Obama Act
14. Worked with John McCain, ironically, on climate change legislation
15. Sponsored the Iran Sanctions Enabling Act with numerous Republican Senators
16. One of Time magazine's "most influential people"
18. Won over 25 states in the democratic contests
19. Obama has shattered fund raising records

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Key U.S. Senate Bills (authored or co-sponsored)
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1. the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law)
2. The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act (became law)
3. The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act (passed in the Senate)
4. The 2007 Government Ethics Bill (became law)
5. The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill

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1. He was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review.
2. He worked on providing over $100 million dollars in tax cuts to Illinois citizens.
4. He voting to provide agricultural disaster assistance.
5. He voted to improve the security of cargo containers destined for the United States
6. He voted to provide $1,829,100,000 for the Army National Guard for the construction of 370 miles of triple-layered fencing, and 461 miles of vehicle barriers along the southwest border

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a little quote from his biography i found on yahoo answers, i think
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'Obama worked with both Democrats and Republicans in drafting legislation on ethics, expanded health care services and early childhood education programs for the poor. He also created a state earned-income tax credit for the working poor. And after a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases...Following the 9/11 attacks, Obama was an early opponent of President George W. Bush's push to war with Iraq. Obama was still a state senator when he spoke against a resolution authorizing the use of force against Iraq during a rally at Chicago's Federal Plaza in October 2002...Sworn into office January 4, 2005, Obama partnered with Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana on a bill that expanded efforts to destroy weapons of mass destruction in Eastern Europe and Russia. Then with Republican Sen. Tom Corburn of Oklahoma, he created a website that tracks all federal spending...Obama was also the first to raise the threat of avian flu on the Senate floor, spoke out for victims of Hurricane Katrina, pushed for alternative-energy development and championed improved veterans

Those are not accomplishments. Just because he voted this or helped pass this. First black this first black that, THOSE ARE NOT ACCOMPLISHMENTS that make one a suitable president. They make him a suitable Senator, yes. Successfully running a state as Governor and improving the state would be an accomplishment. At best passing this bill and passing that bill can be named as one accomplishment all together as they go into one catergory, maybe. But just because you helped pass a bill does not suit you to be president. He has to be able to handle foreign policy, possibilities of war, make/keep a strong/er economy. He has to make decisions that are not best for him, but are best for the country. I do not know if he can do this.

"An accomplishment would be he created bill A and got it put into law."
- BC

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>>Key U.S. Senate Bills (authored or co-sponsored)
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>>1. the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law)
>>2. The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act (became law)
>>3. The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act (passed in the Senate)
>>4. The 2007 Government Ethics Bill (became law)
>>5. The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill
- Gladiator

"At best passing this bill and passing that bill can be named as one accomplishment all together as they go into one catergory, maybe."
- BC

Do I detect some inconsistency?

Is it me or is it terribly racist to keep on titling him as "the first black this and that"
How is the colour of his skin relevant to his leadership qualities?

He is basically using racism to promote himself.

Both Gladiator and DPS need to pay attention.

First of all, yes I said that passing a bill could be an accomplishment, however I never said that multiple bills is multiple accomplishments. The fact that he has passed some bills is one accomplishment. I am not contradicting myself. My point was that all you really stated was that he passed some bills and was the first this and that, and that those are not all accomplishments. Also, just because he votes on a bill and it passes IS NOT an accomplishment, it's a vote. Now, if he creates a huge bill that does a lot of ppl in the country good, then yes it is indeed an accomplishment. If he creates and passes a thousand bills that are as big as changing minimum wage or other small bills, those are not accomplishments. For it to be an accomplishment making him worthy of being President, it has to be something big.

as written by Gladiator...     you can see what I think about each one at the end of it

"1. Elected Illinois state Senator                                                        Not an accomplishment

2. Elected Illinois Senator to US Congress                                            Not an accomplishment

3. Delivered Keynote address at 2004 DNC                                               Not an accomplishment

4. Author of two best-selling books                          NOt an accomplishment (Explain how writing two books makes one worthy of being President)

5. Ran for President of The United States and has won a majority of the states in the Democratic primaries               (not an accomplishment)

6. Obama had sponsored or co-sponsored 570 bills in the 109th and 110th Congress, of which 15 have become law                        (possibly ONE accomplishment, if any of those bills were even big important bills)

7. Graduated from Harvard Law with distinction                                   Not an accomplishment

8. Lectured Constitutional Law at a University in Illinois                                             Not an accomplishment

9. As a state legislator, Obama gained bipartisan support for legislation reforming ethics and health care laws.                Not an accopmplishment

10. Defeated Alan Keyes in the largest landslide in Illinois history for a Senate contest.                       Not an accomplishment

11. Co-sponsored immigration legislation in the US Senate                          Not an accomplishment (legislation didn't even go all the way, tis a Failure)

12. Passed Lugar-Obama Act                                                        Goes with the bills and crap as one accomplishment

13. Passed Couburn-Obama Act                                                        Goes with the bills and crap as one accomplishment

14. Worked with John McCain, ironically, on climate change legislation                            Not an accomplishement

15. Sponsored the Iran Sanctions Enabling Act with numerous Republican Senators              Not an accomplishement

16. One of Time magazine's "most influential people"                    Not an accomplishement (how is that an accomplishment for President)

18. Won over 25 states in the democratic contests                      Not an accomplishement

19. Obama has shattered fund raising records                              Not an accomplishement

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Key U.S. Senate Bills (authored or co-sponsored)
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1. the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law)
2. The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act (became law)
3. The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act (passed in the Senate)
4. The 2007 Government Ethics Bill (became law)
5. The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill

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1. He was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review.                       Not an accomplishment (how is this an accomplishment worth of US President)

2. He worked on providing over $100 million dollars in tax cuts to Illinois citizens.                        Not an accmplishment

4. He voting to provide agricultural disaster assistance.                            Not an accomplishment (Voted on a bill not accomplishment worthy)

5. He voted to improve the security of cargo containers destined for the United States                      Not an accomplishment (Voted for a bill not accomplishment)

6. He voted to provide $1,829,100,000 for the Army National Guard for the construction of 370 miles of triple-layered fencing, and 461 miles of vehicle barriers along the southwest border"                      Not an accomplishment (all he did was vote on a bill, how is that an accomplishment)

These may be personal accomplishments, but they are not accomplishments that show he would be a good President.

Gladiator.....

Shouldnt you give credit where credit is due ??

If you get the info from the OBAMA '08 web site, you should at least reference it.

tsk tsk.

DD, would your standards accept that?

Hence, the above.  Just trying to facilitate things

First of all, yes I am biased. I think that Obama is too inexperienced and can't understand why anyone would want him besides his change crap, so I ask for accomplishments.

Yes, Blackwing has it, partly. The first one is not really an accomplishment.

"Bush advocated and signed the two largest tax cuts to date in Texas history, totaling over $3 billion.  big_smile      This is an accomplishment. He saved a lot of ppl money and helped the economy. (Like I said about Obama tho, does not matter how may other bills he did, they only go for 1 total accomplishment)

Education reform was a priority throughout his terms, with legislation emphasizing local control of schools, higher standards, and a revised curriculum.  big_smile"                  This too is an accomplishment. He did a lot of good for kids and likely even the teachers.

You see, Bush was a Governor first, and being a Governor gave him quite a few things. He was the Executive Power of a single state. Much different than a Senator that just puts bills in and votes basically. Being a Governor alone is one of the best accomplishments one could have for President. It is the same as a President just on a scale much much smaller. But the responsibilities in some ways are basically the same.